Help with choosing a bread maker

Hello, I would like to clarify about the functions of the Panasonic SD-257, in the description on the Yandex market it is written that there is no wheat bread baked in it (well, this is not, and sweet pastries. Here I read that they differ only in the coating of the bucket, the dispenser. the manufacturer's website also practically did not find any differences.
I looked at the 255 model, but it is not available (of course, if you search, you can find everything), so I look at the differences between 255 and 257 models

And another question about the Kenwood BM450, I read that it is noisy (putting bread on, I suppose at night), if a child (usual sleep sensitivity) sleeps across the room, it is audible or tolerable.

And of course the rhetorical question, what is better to take. No experience, I like to bake all sorts of sweets, we prefer rye bread. But I love all the bells and whistles in technology, and I always try to master them.

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Hello, I would like to clarify about the functions of the Panasonic SD-257, in the description on the Yandex market it is written that there is no baking wheat bread in it (well, this is not, and sweet pastries. Here I read that they differ only in the coating of the bucket, in the dispenser. On the manufacturer's website, I practically did not find any differences either.

Further. The 257 model is completely similar in functionality to the 255, with the exception of the coverage. The instructions are practically the same.

Panasonic is very quiet. Even when I am in the kitchen, I can skip the start of the batch. Sweet bread in my Panasonic usually comes out tanned.

Thank you very much for your answer, I decided on the company, I'll take Panas (I'm very happy with the cartoons from them), it remains to decide 256, or 257 model to take. At 256 it is embarrassing that the function of rye bread is not described, and we basically only eat it

there is no rye in the 256th. But many people get by with baking on the "main" program.

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Thank you, stopped at Panasonic 257, now in her search. It turned out that finding it at an affordable price is also a problem.
I called the advertising link to the store (from the local advertising banner), so they said, all the stoves that go, are already sold out, and the next delivery is not yet known. I will look for

People, I need a bread maker for my grandmother, no bells and whistles. What do you advise?

ksy so you walk around and look in online stores, there are a lot of them, but which one do you need? It is necessary to determine what maximum or minimum bread you need, for example, if she lives alone, then she needs a small stove with a minimum size of bread, but in general they all have about the same set of programs, you just need to proceed from the needs of the grandmother. We have people who bake in cheap ovens and nothing, nothing worse than expensive ones. Good luck.
What city are you from? Type 5 ok online store in Yandex, for example, open the whole city and see, choose.

People, I need a bread maker for my grandmother, no bells and whistles. What do you advise?

one of the points may be the presence of a well-readable display (or the stove is completely without bells and whistles and without a screen). I was convinced of this when I consulted friends who were presented with HP. In the family, almost everyone has vision problems, and HP ended up with a tiny screen. Even I, with my normal vision, had to strain my eyes very much. And pay attention to how the bucket is placed (some HP require very precise installation).

LG models fit. They seem to have a small screen, but it shines red, it's clearly visible. In management without problems, everything is clear. You don't need many modes. Compact. Our grandmother (she is 78 years old) has HP LG - 151 and she is very happy. If possible, then choose a model where there is a separate baking mode. Grannies love buns for grandchildren to bake ...

the bread maker should have a separate function for kneading and proving dough and a separate baking.

[IRRishka]

Can I just bake buns in baking in HP? maybe just one ... but a big one. And it will be called a roll.

IRRishka
You can, I bake, it is in HP:

[IRRishka]

IRRishka
You can, I bake, it is in HP

how many times is this quantity? for 2? Then you need to take the stove with a long large bucket, for 2 mixers. Is this grandmother nada? There, the bread yield is 1.5 kg or 1,200. She will eat it for a week. even with my grandfather.

shl. Crumb!, you will feed a flea, if necessary!

Then you need to take the stove with a long large bucket, for 2 mixers. Is this grandmother nada?

What for? The dough is kneaded for 750 g, even in a small bucket 4-5 such buns are obtained. Enough for a couple of days. Granny bakes her favorite "dumplings". The site has a similar recipe called "monkey bread". Or poppy roll with nuts.

Good day! My husband and I are going to buy HP for ourselves and my mother.
I tried to read the messages of the owners of the furnaces by model in the forum, but I have mastered only 2 firms in 3 days, too many reviews. It seems that the owners of Panasonic are praising it, but it is embarrassing that the dough on dumplings must be mixed by hand (I met several such reviews). Kenvood hostesses constantly bake the crust and watch the koloboks, constantly stirring it up and scraping the flour with a spatula. Still, I would like to load the ingredients and pull out the finished delicious bread. And I would also very much like to bake rye bread. I reportedly realized that it can be baked in any oven if you try very hard. but as a beginner, I am scared.
And yet, there are a lot of tips in this topic to buy Sonya or Kenwood, and in our city there are also Moulinexes and Skis. The rest of the companies do not drop in Krasnoyarsk Owners of Mulinexes will respond how you like your HP

[ulia0306]

ulia0306 If you want to knead tough dough, you can't do without a kneader or handles

[ulia0306]

ulia0306 , one of the reviews about the dumplings dough is mine. I use very tough dough that no oven can handle normally. They simply do not have enough engine power (for example, kitchen machines that cope with this on their own have a 1-1.5 kW engine). And I just feel sorry for my HP. But ... the stove takes over 4/5 of all the work, very little is left for the hands (and most of the flour interferes with rolling).

[ulia0306]

ulia0306

I reportedly realized that it can be baked in any oven if you try very hard. but as a beginner, I am scared.

Everyone has to try, regardless of the stove model. :) The main thing is not strong, but careful. I never mixed dough on dumplings ...

nevertheless, I would like to load the ingredients and pull out the finished delicious bread.

That's why Panasonic is being praised. LG is the same good, but the oil seals fail over time .. They praise basically each of his own, because. basically all of them have one, well, two. (well, some still have a couple of broken ones on the mezzanine)

[ulia0306]

ulia0306 If you want to knead tough dough, you can't do without a kneader or handles

I can do without a cool dough, but my mother loves to make homemade dumplings and dumplings. I really want to make her work easier

[ulia0306]

ulia0306 , about the fact that I knead the dough with my hands - just someone prefers the dough of a more delicate consistency, but I like sooo dense. That's why I have to stir the flour.
Believe me, a bread maker (any!) Will take on most of the work in kneading the dough. So, this will be a good help for mom in preparing manti, dumplings. Do not forget that even during rolling, the dough is still gaining flour.
If possible, feel the bread makers live. Suddenly you will like some of them so much that you will not even want to look at others.

Thanks everyone for the help. I decided to buy PANASONIC SD-256 on the official website. They now have free shipping for this model, and they promised a three-year warranty.

Something I am completely entangled in the bread makers.
I want to ask you for advice.
HP requirement:
-the possibility of baking a baguette
- so that the bun looks like a standard store (elongated brick)
-with the possibility of adjustments

Please tell me what to choose from.

If you remove the number of programs, then bread makers can be divided into having:
- dispenser - individual models of each manufacturer, those that do not have it just squeak at the right time (IMHO for an amateur)
- baguettes - only older Moulinex models
- additional round shape - Tefal OW 4002, Gorenje BM 900 AL? can be purchased for individual Kenwood models 350, 450, etc.
Choose what is nicer to you.

Does Panasonic have models with baguettes?

This model, for sure, makes baguettes. Moulinex OW5024 Home Bread Baguette

Moulinex OW5024 Home Bread Baguette Baguettes are more like buns and you will have to sculpt them yourself

There are a lot of videos on YouTube
for example, about moulinex baguettes

Good afternoon everyone, I immediately apologize for not having much on the topic.
I choose a bread maker, stopped at Panasonic, began to read reviews and read this:

Everything would be great if it were not for the fact that the oven has a Teflon pan for bread ... Yes, in fact, all home bread makers I know have such. It is a pity - but taking this into account, the oven does not suit me - because the harm from her bread is more than from the purchased one - because Teflon = evil. Who is not in the subject - I ask you to first read the materials on the topic "high temperature and emissions from Teflon", and only then criticize me for this comment.

I was on my guard and climbed to read about Teflon, and what I read did not pleasantly surprise me.

I want to know your opinion, is it so harmful.
And I also read that this stove has a diamond coating. Is it safer than other stoves?

Who thinks or knows what, please hurry up.

The diamond coating is the same non-stick, only with an additional component.

A lot has been said about the extreme harmfulness of non-stick coatings (Teflon is the trade name of one of the wirfs), but so far no one has given real evidence. I saw the results of one study - the pan was heated and the level of those very terrible secretions was checked. Something began to stand out only when the pan was heated red-hot, and the coating simply began to peel off. The temperature was about 400 degrees Celsius. Actually, therefore, it is forbidden to heat empty pans.

Bread makers will not have this temperature. The maximum is 180 degrees.

Hello dear potential buyer. I want to tell you that you are very mistaken about Teflon. Teflon can be harmful, but at the stage when it starts to self-destruct at a very high temperature. But this does not happen in bread makers Would you like to say that aluminum pans, which in some places were inherited from our grandmothers, are healthier. I recently bought a Panasonic SD 256. and I am very pleased with the coating very durable, diamond fluoride Loaves of bread practically do not stick to it. Form care is the most minimal, you can even wipe it with a cloth and that's it. Yes, if it comes to that, living in this world is also harmful. What we breathe, what we eat and what we drink. The ecology is terrible!

Thank you, I understood, I just thought no one would answer, soon March 8, here I am preparing a gift)

Regarding degrees, I read that already starting from 180, harmful vapors are released ...

read on the internet ...

The easiest way to achieve fission of Teflon is to heat it up. DuPont claims the Teflon coating does not crack even at 315 degrees, which the company claims is much higher than the temperature used to cook food, but an independent experiment denies this. The lowest temperature at which Teflon got into the air was found to be 230 degrees. In turn, the lowest temperature at which the substances released from the non-sticky coating killed the birds is 202 degrees! This proves that toxins can be released even at lower temperatures.As a result of the experiment of independent experts Environmental Working Group, it was proved that in 2-5 minutes a Teflon pan heats up much more than DuPont indicates. Scientists at the University of Toronto stated that Teflon and similar coatings are divided into neurotoxins and gases that cause the greenhouse effect. When a frying pan is heated, Teflon used in everyday life emits microscopic particles that go deep into the lungs and remain there, causing the death of birds, while people develop symptoms of the so-called polymer smoke heat - similar to the symptoms of a serious illness. For the first time such a fever was recorded in 1950 among workers in a Teflon plant. DuPont studies have shown that this disease is especially threatening for smokers, however, the company suddenly concluded that Teflon is not harmful to humans if they do not smoke while cooking. In practice, the opposite has been proven, and since 1960, DuPont employees who have to deal with Teflon at temperatures above 204 degrees are required to wear protective masks.

if the full article is interesting, I can throw off the link.

It is clear that living is harmful. And I would not worry about myself, but I want to protect my loved ones as much as possible ... that's all I will find out ... sorry that I'm bored, but maybe someone else will say something ...

[Potential buyer]

Potential buyer it is commendable that you care about the health of your loved ones! But, I think, it is better here without fanaticism, otherwise you can bring yourself to psychosis (remember Michael Jackson, who slept in a pressure chamber, wore a mask and gloves, and how did it all end?) You see, the situation here is twofold, in my opinion. Even if we take as a basis the fact that it is harmful, then it will not be possible to absolutely protect oneself. Alas! Because:Teflon is everywhere. It is contained in:
- In component parts of aircraft, outer skin;
- In acne creams and treatments (for example, skin injections);
- In clothing for tourists and leisure, eg. Goretex;
- In coatings;
- In the clothes of adults, children and even babies;
- In computer chips;
- In hair straighteners;
- In dental floss;
- In electrical insulation;
- In dishes for fast food products;
- In foam for fire extinguishing;
- In furniture;
- In garden supplies and garden furniture;
- In hair dryers;
- Knitted;
- In paints;
- In kitchen utensils;
- In irons and ironing board covers;
- In leather clothing;
- In light bulbs;
- In suitcases and travel bags;
- In containers used in medicine;
- In nail hardeners and nail polish removers;
- In pesticides;
- In pet beds;
- In prostheses;
- In shaving foams and jellies;
- In the coatings of solar panels;
- Wearing glasses with non-scratch lenses;
- In stain removers;
- In surgical instruments;
- In umbrellas ...
On the other hand, you don't know-Of what and in what conditions baked bread bought in the store. As recently as yesterday in the News there was a terrible story about rat tails in ready-made bread .... brrrrr ... For me, this is definitely worse. Yes, and besides, now there are many harmful things. For example, dishes made of melamine, sodium laureth sulfate, etc., etc. As Rinata Litvinova says, "Kaaak is scary to live!" So think for yourself, decide for yourself to have or not to have

Well, personally, I would not believe so blindly everything that is written on the Internet. You also believe in advertising, right? Well, if you really want to secure ... well ... a month stick with handles, bake in the oven. How long have housewives been using Teflon dishes? And what, everyone dies, right?

Personally, I would not so blindly believe what they write on the Internet, advertisements, etc. And if you want to protect as much as possible ... then what then. knead with handles, bake in the oven. Yours faithfully!

In detergents there is a nightmare lauryl sulfate (or something there), a bunch of preservatives in food, petroleum jelly (that is, mineral oil) in children's cosmetics, etc.

Certain hazards need to be related. For example, I consider store bread, which is brought unpackaged, to be a more serious risk for myself and my children.While it will be loaded onto trays, while it will be brought in, while some Uncle Vasya unloads this bread and brings it into the store, while this bread is in the store ... At each stage there is the same risk - getting a serious infection on the bread ... How are the sanitary books issued by the movers? And many of the current sellers. And now there is practically an epidemic of tuberculosis. Rodents often run around the shops almost openly. That's leptospirosis. And I don’t want to talk about "enhancers". This byaka gets into bread even at the dough stage.

So, for me, the risk of non-stick coatings is noticeably less ... Moreover, I do not try to wash the mold too much (I have it dirty), so the thinnest layer of oil becomes actually a protective one.
Plus, I gave up on pans in favor of cast iron ones. So that's how it goes.

Hello! We decided to buy a bread maker, until we came to the store, everything was simple! wanted to buy the simplest one! I have a couple of questions, someone baked black bread like in a store (capital or rye), if so, what kind of oven and how does it taste? Just wondering if you need to buy a specialized one with the function of black bread, or can you get by with a simple one?

[proli]

proli, you can bake in any CP, where there is the possibility of a separate dough kneading and a separate baking function. Then there will be just a semi-manual mode.

In order to be able to advise you on any specific HP models, you need to know where you live. Please indicate in your profile.

Rina
Thank you, if you can, more specifically, according to the models, I want her to do everything there herself, but how does bread look like a store bread?

We have just the opposite - the people try to keep the bread from the store.
Believe me, whoever starts to bake at home, forgets about the store, like about a bad dream.
These are those HPs that have the declared function of "rye".

Clear! Thanks again, it's just that everyone has different tastes, black and white! bread is bread. Did you bake brown bread yourself, is it much tastier than in the store? So you still need the function of rye bread in HP or can you bake black bread without it?

I don't even know what to tell you. On the one hand, I believe that rye programs are designed for bread mixes or the addition of many ingredients. On the other hand, this program has certain features, it works.
Rye bread is also baked in the simplest ovens. I know that many recipes are in basic mode. Or use separately kneading and baking separately.

I have a "rye" function in my HP. I don't use it in its pure form. My recipe and technology HERE... This bread is eaten by my children with great pleasure.

In general, the rye program is not necessary, but it is convenient with it if you have a habit.

I watch and read about HP.
Here Pts I like moulinex and shape and baguettes and a window.
But it is embarrassing that in reviews almost every second one breaks (((

Tell me what the power affects?
Do you really need a dispenser? Is it in moulinex? I met in Panasonic.
In the description of the programming function I do not see sales in older models (((maybe I look in the wrong place)

Good afternoon to all members of the forum! Please help me decide on the stove. We need a compact model (something like Panasonic in size (width + depth) and SILENT !!!!! Or to work as quietly as possible .. The soul asks for Panasonic (these are the consequences of owning a multicooker they say), and the toad is categorically against ... Here and I suffer - I scour the Internet, read articles, choose .. and only get confused more ..

So, I decided with my family to buy a bread maker after all)
There are almost no special criteria for buying, only the most commonplace ones:

• High reliability so as not to suffer with repairs
• Interested only in the best manufacturers' models

The budget is almost unlimited - up to 6-7 thousand I can easily afford to buy HB.
So what can you advise?

So, I decided with my family to buy a bread maker after all)
There are almost no special criteria for buying, only the most commonplace ones:

• High reliability so as not to suffer with repairs
• Interested only in the best manufacturers' models

The budget is almost unlimited - up to 6-7 thousand I can easily afford to buy HB.
So what can you advise?

Panasonic.

Hello! As usual, the newbie asks for help in choosing HP. I am faced with a choice of either Binaton 2189 (the price is about 4 thousand in the store), or Panas 256 (about 5500 but via the Internet). The difference is not very big, but the stove will be the first and I don’t know which one to choose. I read about Binaton - how reliable is it? Or is it still the choice to stop on Panas? I don't want to be wrong.

[gfi]

gfi - do not suffer, take a Panasonic, it is much more reliable, and the quality of the bucket is an order of magnitude higher

and did you try to go to the store? the best choice is to go shopping and feel with your hands!
good choice

I went shopping, touched everything. I liked Panas and Binaton. But the price in stores for Panas is 8500, and over the Internet 5500. Binaton at a price of about 4000. Here I sit and break my head. A familiar girl, a consultant, in one of the stores, says that there is no point in overpaying for Panasonic and Binaton is no worse. I didn’t tell her that Panas costs so much.

[gfi]

gfi, you need to go to the themes of your Panasonic and Binaton models and see photos of bread from these ovens, which you like more than that and take
and it is really not worth overpaying if it is cheaper and not worse.

I went shopping, touched everything. I liked Panas and Binaton.
...
Here I sit and break my head. A familiar girl, a consultant, in one of the stores, says that there is no point in overpaying for Panasonic and Binaton is no worse. ...

It remains only to take HP, try and buy a more convenient one.

Binaton for 4000 which model?
And it is somehow not very convenient to compare.
Especially if you bake bread not only wheat.