Crumb
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If anyone pays attention:
the larger the kitchen, the less appliances it has.
People who can afford such a large kitchen usually don't use it.
I have a kitchen of 12 meters, not big, of course, but I can't even call it a small one ... there are also enough appliances ... for the complete happiness of a good designer, to help me put the kitchen in order, I myself (to my great Unfortunately) I am somehow not friends with design art ...
shuska
Crumb, my kitchen is also about 12 m, but it is elongated, so it looks like a division into 2 zones: the cooking zone and the dining room (it sounds so proud! in fact, there is a hol-k, a table and an aquarium). She did the design herself, since she worked in a furniture store for many years. I dare not call myself a "good designer", but I can try to help. If anything - knock in a personal
Gypsy
shuska, and you can open a new topic on the topic *Kitchen planning*? I would also find useful information on the planning and arrangement of the kitchen useful. You are welcome

ps. in I composed
Lisss's
and I! kitchen planning is a must. Now I have a question, if the micro is not on the windowsill, then where?
akapl
About technology and seemingly "naked" kitchens. The deviceaholics who have gathered in this topic can already afford separate devices, but so far they do not even suspect what progress has come in filling kitchen cabinets and cabinets, hiding these devices from prying eyes and from greasy splashes. For example, there is a special German hardware for a "food processor shelf": a food processor or a meat grinder is on a shelf in a cabinet (possibly screwed on), you open the cabinet, slide the shelf out - and it rises to the level of the tabletop, as if continuing it. You did what you wanted - and with a relatively light movement of your hand you remove the shelf with the combine out of sight. True, for example, in our Siberian regions it costs more to include such a shelf for a combine in a projected kitchen than to buy Gamma or Energia.
With my own eyes I saw the inconspicuously built-in coffee makers, steamers and even a cupboard for warming dishes. There are grills, steamers and even deep fat fryers that can be installed in the countertops (with the function of draining the used fat down the drain).
There are also sockets built into the tabletop for our favorite devices. There is a circle on the tabletop in the corner, you press - and a vertical cylindrical block of three Euro sockets emerges from under the tabletop. I used the technique - I hid the sockets.
In the upper cabinets there are special "lifts" that can lower a flat screen TV or a shelf with a blender, mixer or a set of spices.
So the "smoothness" of the kitchens in the photo is deceiving. We just don't know what they might be stuffed with.
Cvetaal
Can you show me your kitchen? With entrails :)
Gypsy
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and I! kitchen planning is a must. Now I have a question, if the micro is not on the windowsill, then where?
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lega
Quote: Cvetaal

Can you show me your kitchen? With entrails :)
As much as possible and necessary. Only better in another topic. Here:https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1366.240
Lisss's
Quote: gypsy

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Gypsy, no-no-no, you show me the same way as the PMM showed - in MY kitchen
Gypsy
uh .. so then let's review the whole kitchen and boom all together think how to shove

oo .. so the window sill is so wide, put it there .. the choice is not great for you.
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you can also hang a micra shelf above the table
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Lisss's
while I'm planning on the windowsill, otherwise it will be very cumbersome over the table, it seems to me ... that's why I would like Temko - planning the kitchen
fugaska
I have a micra hanging over my table.we are undersized, in principle, we do not suffer much from the "overhang" under our micros, and the breadbox is also suspended, such a "hammock"! )))))))))) and also next to the breadbasket (well, the place was free, how not to take it with such a shortage of space) we have a bunch of all sorts of jars and pills that fit, and on the micra I finished a toaster and a box of breadcrumbs! ))))))))))
Lisss's
fugaska, can I have a photo? I don't have much imagination, so I can't imagine how it will be, so while I'm thinking of putting it on the windowsill ...
Cvetaal
My favorite cuisine
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Gypsy
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while I'm planning on the windowsill, otherwise it will be very cumbersome over the table, it seems to me ... that's why I would like Temko - planning the kitchen
continue.

I liked how one Internet friend made repairs in her apartment, the kitchen is really bigger than yours, 6 meters, maybe a little less.
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Gypsy
Girls who have standard small kitchens in old houses (not Stalinist ones, of course), I propose to remove the door nafig .. it will immediately become more spacious.
Lisss's
Gypsy, so this is my kitchen just don't understand where its microwave is?

special thanks for the idea of ​​cabinets above the table and above the refrigerator, because I already have a warehouse on the refrigerator, I will definitely order such cabinets! only mikru where? into one of the cupboards above the table ???

and I have that gas pipe in the left corner near the window hidden in a mini-cabinet - there is nothing in it, just so that the pipe does not rush into the eye

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Gypsy
About the gas pipe, she told in detail that as soon as she did not mask it .. and masked it under the tiles .. but stopped at silver paint, there is a lot of silver in the kitchen and the pipe fit perfectly
lega
Quote: Lisss's

Gypsy, so this is my kitchen just don't understand where its microwave is?

special thanks for the idea of ​​cabinets above the table and above the refrigerator, because I already have a warehouse on the refrigerator, I will definitely order such cabinets! only mikru where? into one of the cupboards above the table ???
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Liss! You have perfect windowsills! You correctly planned to put a mikra there. You can't think of a better place. If you put the micra in a cabinet, it will not be very convenient to use it - it is high, you can burn yourself with hot soup.
Cvetaal
gypsy, Jefry , Thank you so much. I am glad that you liked my cuisine. I wanted to move away from traditional cuisine, hence the top different from the bottom. Some devices are in boxes :). The plans include a semicircular bar counter.
Gypsy
Lisss's, how often do you cook on four burners at once?
Lisss's
Quote: lga

If you put the mikra in a cabinet, it will not be very convenient to use it - it is high, you can burn yourself with hot soup.

yes, this is a useful remark, thanks!

what else I noticed only after using it - sockets I had to do it right above the countertop ... for some reason I made them in the middle of the tile, now I regret it - only the cords stretch along the wall ...

Lisss's
Quote: gypsy

Lisss's, how often do you cook on four burners at once?

Gypsy, our thoughts converge, I also thought about two burners. Only, I'm afraid, if I say this to my husband, he will kick me out of the house, but saving space would be unambiguous !!!!
zvezda
Quote: gypsy

Girls who have standard small kitchens in old houses (not Stalinist ones, of course), I propose to remove the door nafig .. it will immediately become more spacious.
I agree to all 100 !!!! I have 5 doors in the corridor 5m !!! I left the entrance (well, without it) in the living room altogether, and replaced the other three like this ...
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lega
Quote: Lisss's

Gypsy, our thoughts converge, I also thought about two burners. Only, I'm afraid, if I say this to my husband, he will kick me out of the house, but saving space would be unambiguous !!!!
The idea, of course, is sound but !!! To replace the stove with a two-burner one, you will have to change the countertop, if you don't mind your brand new kitchen, then this is an option.
metel_007
Quote: gypsy

Lisss's, how often do you cook on four burners at once?
... Girls, you can express your opinion, I think two comforts are not enough, especially if you are making blanks. Sorry for interfering with your dialogue.
Irina_hel
Quote: metel_007

... Girls, you can express your opinion, I think two comforts are not enough, especially if you are making blanks.

I also think that in the summer and autumn, during the harvesting season, 2 comforters would not be enough for me personally. Even if you take into account that I am doing much less blanks now than in the old days.
Nataly_rz
About the stove. Of course, if the kitchen was made 2 years ago, then it is still too early to change. So Lisss's is not concerned. I renovated my kitchen last summer. And there are two things that I would change now: I put it on the PMM and changed the stove to a two-burner one (although my kitchen is not small). Girls who have multicooker will understand me
Why did I first make repairs and then find this site?
dopleta
Quote: akapl


So the "smoothness" of the kitchens in the photo is deceiving. We just don't know what they might be stuffed with.

I also wanted to write about it. If we do not see equipment on the tables, this does not mean at all that it is not there. I really do not like cluttered countertops and, if possible, try to hide everything, on the table only AG and one of the stoves, and MV, SV, Cube-Bosch, the second stove and everything else goes only for the duration of use.
Cvetaal
zvezda , thank you very much There are still inconveniences: up to the window - 1m 10 cm. By design features, the depth of the countertop along the window is 70 cm + 40 cm window sill. We are planning to order a window that can be opened from the remote control. And now you have to pile up on a chair :)
lega
Quote: Cvetaal

zvezda , thank you very much There are still inconveniences: up to the window - 1m 10 cm. By design features, the depth of the countertop along the window is 70 cm + 40 cm window sill. We are planning to order a window that can be opened from the remote control. And now you have to pile up on a chair :)
I'm also wondering about the sink in front of the window. When I was building my kitchen, I really wanted to do this. And then I was embarrassed that the battery was closing, and we did not have California. The second is the backlight. It is good in the summer during the day - light, and in the winter? It's already dark at 16 o'clock! Where to integrate the backlight? Hang a separate chandelier over the sink?
Gypsy
And I planned for myself a double gas surface, because as far as I can remember, a maximum of two pieces are included .. and even with the advent of all sorts of electric pots such as a rice cooker and a slow cooker. One is depressing, I walked through the local stoves, all double ones without cast-iron pieces of iron and cost the same as for 4 beautiful pieces with cast iron, it's a shame to overpay and buy not what I would like.
The advantage of the double is that it gives more work surface, for example, for the same electric pots.
zvezda
Well, you can really fantasize with a window ... about the remote control, I probably would not have guessed, but in the house I saw how it opened from below, like a cabinet, but where was the handle ... as there was no need to look ... It's great anyway !!!!
fugaska
who wanted a picture here? Well, here's my mess
Gypsy
I love the lockers under the ceiling .. these are the options for the Filipinos:
(for those who have small kitchens, very handy .. the door is down, and there are lockers above the entrance)
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or above the window
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Gypsy
Quote: lga

... And then I was embarrassed that the battery was closing, and we did not have California. The second is the backlight. It is good in the summer during the day - light, and in the winter? It's already dark at 16 o'clock! Where to integrate the backlight? Hang a separate chandelier over the sink?
Well, I somehow lived in Moscow for 30 years with a kitchen WITHOUT a battery AT ALL .. nothing, God forbid, in winter we warmed ourselves with a gas stove

The backlight can be built into a shelf or visor above the window.
Gypsy
Here is another kitchen, which I have already shown. The kitchen is small in a small Israeli house (60m). As I look at this kitchen, I am amazed at how cleverly everything is thought out. I think it is super-comfortable.
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Gypsy
Quote: Cvetaal

The plans include a semicircular bar counter.

Cvetaal, if you have any plans, please come here
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...1.0

we are very interested in these plans in that topic
and I will post my archivist on * racks *
Cvetaal
Girls, thank you

Washing by the window is great, it is pleasant to look out the window, being aware of all the yard events.

We solved the heating issue, inserted a photo where the air intake in the lower part and the exit from the top are visible - 8 round holes with a mesh. Since the depth of the countertop is 70 cm, the ingress of crumbs and the like is practically impossible. And besides, if we are completely freezing (usually in autumn, when there is still no heating), we turn on the warm floor.

My sink is also convenient because it is molded with a countertop and is very large. The airfryer bowl fits freely. Mixer with shower.

There is enough lighting above the sink, in the ceiling there are 8 bulbs in an arc.

When I ordered the kitchen, I doubted the color of the countertop, at first I wanted a lighter one. And now I am terribly pleased with this one, because no spots are visible on it.
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lega
Thanks for the answer! And the choice of the color of the countertop is very successful. When I ordered my kitchen, and that was 8 years ago, there were no artificial stone countertops in widespread use yet. I chose the lightest shell made of fragranite from the German company SCHOCK. At first I was very pleased, now I regret that she is so bright. The top coat is damaged and now it is quite difficult to wash off dark spots.
Gypsy
Beauty! The sofa is gorgeous! I also plan such a sofa in my dreams, only more modest in bodies and the letter G.
I didn't understand where the bar is planned, in what place?
Cvetaal
The bar should be behind the sofa on the kitchen side and touch the wall. I do not know clearly explained or not? The first photo shows a table, here in its place I want
Gypsy
Catch options that seemed interesting to me either aesthetically or practically
just don't know how barno it is ..
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here I liked the table on wheels, it revolves around the bar here and there .. I don't know really why
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original and convenient dumplings while sitting to sculpt
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to the heap
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Gypsy
Quote: Cvetaal

The bar should be behind the sofa on the kitchen side and touch the wall. I do not know clearly explained or not? The first photo shows a table, here in its place I want
yeah, it's clear now. And the bar table is close to the sofa to sit facing the TV, right? interesting idea .. correct.
shuska
While I was away, you have already opened Temka! Well done, girls!
I'm not exactly a designer in the full sense of the word, but I know something. For example, I can help on a computer to draw a particular kitchen project according to your size. Well, or help with some technical issues. In short, what I can - I will help
akapl


Colleagues!
Be carefull, planning to replace the stove with a two-burner... I share my experience. Although at one time I only cooked coffee or fried pancakes on the stove and there are obviously a lot of four burners for me, the two-burner one has one significant "but". At least my recessed gas "Candy", in pursuit of compactness, was designed for a bachelor or young married couple who eat mostly outside the home. Although the slab itself does not seem to be small - 50 cm x 28 cm - the removal of the handles to the upper surface and the allocation of almost 7 cm for this led to the fact that it is impossible to fit two vessels of the usual size at the same time! I cannot fry pancakes at the same time in two ordinary pans - only in a large and tiny one. I cannot, while cooking soup, put a frying pan on the next burner - it balances on a narrow grate and barely holds, and the center of the frying pan is far from above the burner. Next to a square grill pan, I can't fit any utensil at all. In addition the difference in power between the two cooking zones is very large: on a large one you can only fry and bring to a boil, and on a small one, even coffee in a mini-Turk, you will wait until it boils - this burner is more likely for a long stewing and maintaining a boil, even boiling eggs on it for a very long time. You have to constantly rearrange the dishes from one burner to another or swap the pots and pans. "Average", intermediate power is sorely lacking. In addition, they were engaged in designing the kitchen when everyone was working and having lunch outside the house, and then I sat on maternity leave, my husband began to come home to dinner, and my teenage daughter began to come with the words, "What can you eat?" - and despite the presence of CF, a microwave oven and an electric oven, periodically there were not enough burners. So now I would think about either a three-burner stove (they are square 45x50 and horizontally elongated), or about a more rationally made two-burner stove.Honestly, I would go to the store with paper circles the size of my favorite pressure cooker and my favorite frying pan and see if they fit next to me.
Good luck!
lina
Lisss's, are you wondering whether to hang up the micra?
Gypsy
akapl, Thank you
I saw three only at you, we do not sell something ... but we have heaps of 4, 5, etc.
I only cook pasta on the stove, boil potatoes and pancakes in two pans, sometimes scrambled eggs. Perhaps this is the whole set of food. I do the rest in electrical units. Of course, everyone has their own life, their own preferences, everything must be taken into account whenever possible.
Gypsy
I met these boxes
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Cvetaal
It was these corner boxes that were originally ordered for my kitchen. Attracted by the large volume. But upon closer examination, it became clear that the design is rather flimsy and is unlikely to withstand everything that one wants to push into it. The temptation is great, there is a lot of space I stopped at the carousel

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