How to heat the room?

Until the real cold broke out, I want to buy something for additional or emergency heating of the room.

Given: room 18 sq. m with a window 3 m wide and access to a conditionally glazed balcony. There is a central heating battery (6 sections).
Population in the room: me + two children.

Until now, we have used a fan heater, but at some moments it was clear that this thing was making too much noise. I thought about another version of the heater, for example, an oil heater.

Requirements: guaranteed fast enough heating of the room, stable quiet operation.

Can you advise on what to look for when choosing a radiator?

[Rina]

Rina Buttery is good, but not fast. There are models with a built-in fan, which also makes noise IMHO better than oil and more sections, for example, 9 or 12 Delonghi less heating, more dissipation area. Will "burn out" the air less

There are also convectors - they are generally silent and economical.

[Rina,]

Rina, maybe, before the cold comes, add the sections to the radiator?
We solved the heating problem by replacing the old window with a new one with a double-glazed window. After that, the cold apartment turned into an exceptionally warm one, and there was no need to spend more money on electric radiators. At the same time, the conditional glazing of the balcony was not touched.
But if you buy a radiator, then I would take an oil one, since it dries the air less and it has more heating inertia, that is, it does not work all the time - it turns off periodically. But it must be on all the time for it to be effective.

As I wrote, an electrical appliance is needed precisely for emergencies.
With normal heating, there are more than enough sections. But ... it happens to us that one of the neighbors suddenly starts urgent repair work in cold weather. Or simply at the end of the month the temperature of the coolant drops sharply for several days (when the heat engineers begin to twist the hands of the city administration for debts).

But if you buy a radiator, then I would take an oil one, since it dries the air less.

H'm. Can you clearly explain HOW a heater can dry the air? WHERE does water go from the air? Evaporates into another dimension? And (most importantly) HOW does it depend on the type of heater? In winter, the air is dry not "because a bad heater", but because it is generally dry, by itself, and then it is also heated, dropping the relative humidity to very low percent, and the higher the temperature in the room, the lower and more uncomfortable this humidity (if there is no humidifier).

[Rina]

Rina , but as an option, the air conditioner will not work? In summer it cools, in cold weather it heats up to the temperature you need. And Electricity eats less radiators. The main thing is that he does not need to look for a place of residence in an apartment

I am fundamentally against air conditioners. In general, I considered the climatic center, which cools the air by driving it through the stream of water - both cooling and humidification. It also has air heating with humidification. But so far I cannot afford to spend money on such a technique.

H'm. Can you clearly explain HOW a heater can dry the air?

From a physical point of view, no. Can you explain why after a night with a heater, especially with a convector or a fireplace with an open spiral, you feel bad?

In general, I considered the climatic center, which cools the air by driving it through the stream of water - both cooling and humidification.

I have such a center - I was tempted by cooling - I did not bring any trouble with it ... and the bandura, well, is very healthy and makes noise (though at first it didn’t make noise, deceiver) ... I’m sorry for money ...cooling is purely conditional heating like a conventional fan heater. If you have a conventional humidifier and fan heater, then the effect is the same, but it will take less space and will cost less, IMHO.

At one time I purchased a convector with a closed spiral. Miracle! The head does not hurt (it stays on even at night), the room heats up almost instantly, the built-in thermostat supports it. Absolutely quiet (no moving parts, no mechanisms). Happy as an elephant.

I am fundamentally against air conditioners. In general, I considered the climate center, which cools the air by driving it through the stream of water - both cooling and humidification. It also has air heating with humidification. But so far I cannot afford to spend money on such a technique.

What is a * center *? otherwise we also bought a bandura at one time, when we dragged around rented apartments, we also hoped for cooling, and as a result we got a fan with a bath, a profanity

I thought about another version of the heater, for example, an oil heater.

I am for oil! he finally does not make noise, his head does not hurt (oxygen does not burn) ... but my husband claims that he shakes a lot of energy .. well, in comparison with an air conditioner.

I am for oil!

The only negative, in my opinion, is that it heats up the room for a long time.

[Alim, a gypsy,]

I have such a center - I was tempted by cooling - I did not bring any trouble with it ... and the bandura is well, very healthy and makes noise (though at first it didn’t make noise, deceiver) .... it’s a pity for money .... cooling is purely conditional heating like in conventional fan heater. If you have a conventional humidifier and fan heater, then the effect is the same, but it will take less space and will cost less, IMHO.

What is a * center *? otherwise we also bought a bandura at one time, when we dragged around rented apartments, we also hoped for cooling, and as a result we got a fan with a bath, a profanity

Alim, a gypsy, thanks a lot . Your posts were enough for me to stop wanting this climate center. Solid savings.

At one time I purchased a convector with a closed spiral. Miracle! The head does not hurt (it stays on even at night), the room heats up almost instantly, the built-in thermostat supports it. Absolutely quiet (no moving parts, no mechanisms). Happy as an elephant.

And which company and which model?

I am for oil! he finally does not make noise, his head does not hurt (oxygen does not burn) ... but my husband claims that he shakes a lot of energy .. well, in comparison with an air conditioner.

I, nevertheless, hope that it will be just emergency help, and not constant (as it was a few years ago, when the batteries were barely warm, there was a newborn in the house, and the room was heated with a fan heater - they wound up electricity

[Rina]

Rina , but as an option, the air conditioner will not work? In summer it cools, in cold weather it heats up to the temperature you need. And Electricity eats less radiators. The main thing is that he does not need to look for a place of residence in an apartment.

You can't turn on the air conditioner in winter ... but, as I understand it, it is about frost?
Of course, oil is better, because the batteries do not become slightly warm in one second, in an hour it will completely heat the room and maintain the temperature. And he does not shake at all a lot, since it turns off quite often. According to my observation, it cannot be compared with an air conditioner (in terms of saving electrical energy).

From a physical point of view, no. Can you explain why after a night with a heater, and especially with a convector or a fireplace with an open spiral, you feel bad?

I can, and explained above. only it does not depend on the heat source. When dry frosty air is heated (and there is nowhere else to come from in another winter), we have disgusting relative humidity at the exit (on average, without a humidifier in winter - about 30%). We add the lack of air flow (where they heat, they usually do not ventilate).A cart about "burning oxygen" was actively discussed some time ago at IKSBT, and somehow the general opinion agreed that this is more of a myth.

And which company and which model?

NOBO. I also won over: their appearance, the ability to choose a specific area of ​​the heated room, the presence of waterproof models. You can read about them here 🔗

NOBO

alas, we don't have this brand

alas, we don't have this brand

There are similar ones, NOIROT.

You can't turn on the air conditioner in winter ...

There are air conditioners in Israel for all seasons, cool in summer, warm in winter There is no frost, but it is very cold in houses in winter ... there is no central heating.

A cart about "burning oxygen" was actively discussed some time ago at IKSBT, and somehow the general opinion agreed that this is more of a myth.

not a myth, just spirals of all kinds and burn oxygen .. and burn dust .. that's why my head hurts from them.

I have NOIROT. It warms up perfectly, but also "eats" decently. Although, really, I do not turn it on all the time, and it has a mode of maintaining a given temperature, and hibernation, and does not make noise, and does not smell.

There are air conditioners in Israel for all seasons, cool in summer, warm in winter There is no frost, but it is very cold in houses in winter ... there is no central heating.

This is a well-known business. Now all the air conditioners for heat and cold, not only in Israel, but you do not have frosts 20-30. And even the most sophisticated air conditioners can be operated no more than at -10.
Yes, and how much of that winter you have, has not yet begun, has already ended

not a myth, just spirals of all kinds and burn oxygen .. and burn dust .. that's why my head hurts from them.

Actually, if they are burning anything, it is dust. Therefore, it is not worthwhile to heat a dusty, clogged and dry room with a spiral. Which is logical. Such a room should not be heated at all.

The combustion of oxygen on a spiral is some very terrible and unknown phenomenon to science.
Here on the technical iksbt the topic is just - 🔗
Where it is in detail to understand who and the faq is on fire, and to whom it sucks.

Infrared with a thermostat Icoline - while I'm happy, I bought it in the summer, as many as 3 pieces. There is an inconvenience - installation, you need a specialist or craftsman. But once they put it on, and then it turns on and off itself.

You have a room of 18m2 and a large window. Not much money.
Do not change the window. And after replacing, ask for the heater in reserve for an accident.
Calculating which heater will heat the room for you and spend less money is certainly fun. Kilowatts will remain constant spent on heating, respectively, and the amount of money too. Here, either the fan or a large radiator area decides everything. It's a choice.
But, based on the money and work of your purchase, it is still more in reserve, then,
your room (especially if the heat is turned off) needs a large oil radiator with 10 - 12 high sections, with a power of 2 - 2.5 kW, without a fan. For 1500 - 2000 rubles. Power 2 kW. it is necessary to quickly warm up the room and not very high operating temperature of the radiator when it enters the operating mode.
All other solutions, NOBO for example, will be significantly more expensive.
It may not be turned off by adjusting it to the desired temperature, it will be turned off all the time until it is warm in the room and the temperature drops to the temperature it was turned on.
Well, with power, unfortunately, it will not be possible to reduce it without denying yourself comfort.
And you need to understand that it does not consume power in a warm room or practically does not consume additional power. the heater will be slightly warm.
Your 6-section radiator by the window is about 1 kW. constant heating.

[Kamusik]

Kamusik I saw Japanese air conditioners with heating at t-outside air - 30, but the price (it is cheaper to make an autonomous unit with payment of all bribes). My AEG can start up to -7, but I do not like the fact that when it is turned on, it drives the icy air for a few seconds, maybe it somehow does not work correctly.

[Kamusik]

Kamusik I saw Japanese air conditioners with heating at t-outside air - 30, but the price (it is cheaper to make an autonomous unit with payment of all bribes). My AEG can start up to -7, but I do not like the fact that when it is turned on, it drives the icy air for a few seconds, maybe it somehow does not work correctly.

Well, it's good that progress is moving forward. But in terms of pricing policy, it turns out that this is not a way out for us yet. My Mitsubishi also starts at -10. And there is no escape from these few seconds ...

In 2002, she acquired heaters from Ecoline. 🔗
This effective miracle gives the effect of a warm sun on the edge. I cut off the batteries in the kitchen, hung up this heater, at the company engineers asked the volume of rooms, the location of the window, the size of the window, counted, gave the result, ordered with delivery and with a simple, non-electronic thermostat. Now I can regulate the temperature up to 30 degrees. We admired this miracle, everyone liked it. In 2008, they cut off the radiators in the bedroom, against the wishes of the engineers, they were hung not by the window but above the bed. Warmed up the back - a miracle beauty. We installed three-phase meters, at night the electricity was inexpensive, it turned out very well, I turn it on and bask on the edge)
I don’t know better heaters, for several years I closely followed the activities of this company before ordering.
In 2009, they gave the father-in-law a jam for the day. Why is it good to use it at the dacha: plugged it into an outlet, hang it up and live peacefully - it does not interfere under your feet, does not interfere with cleaning the floor. Leaving the dacha - took it out of the socket, took off the heater and took it home. Lyapota.

In 2002, she acquired heaters from Ecoline. 🔗
This effective miracle gives the effect of a warm sun on the edge. I cut off the batteries in the kitchen, hung up this heater, at the company engineers asked the volume of rooms, the location of the window, the size of the window, counted, gave the result, ordered with delivery and with a simple, non-electronic thermostat. Now I can regulate the temperature up to 30 degrees. We admired this miracle, everyone liked it. In 2008, they cut off the radiators in the bedroom, against the wishes of the engineers, they were hung not by the window but above the bed. Warmed up the back - a miracle beauty. We installed three-phase meters, at night the electricity was inexpensive, it turned out very well, I turn it on and bask on the edge)
I don’t know better heaters, for several years I closely followed the activities of this company before ordering.
In 2009, they gave the father-in-law a jam for the day. Why is it good to use it at the dacha: plug it into a power outlet, hang it up and live peacefully - it does not interfere under your feet, does not interfere with cleaning the floor. Leaving the dacha - took it out of the socket, took off the heater and took it home. Lyapota.

This is all good, of course, but "the population also has concerns":

Infrared radiation has a spectral range of about 0.76 to 420 microns - this is from visible red to short radio waves. Properties like ultraviolet radiation approx.

It has been proven that rays with a wavelength of 0.7 to 1.4 microns penetrate deeply into the tissues of the human body and, when exposed to the eye, can cause cataracts. Also, again due to deep penetration and heating effect, internal organs "warm up" (if not burn out).

Heaters of this type for indoor areas where people are staying for a long time are not certified in most European countries.

[Shurshun]

Shurshun, Aha!
The Ecoline miracle is also great price.
ICO 10 The best selling model of infrared heaters.
It is used for heating medium-sized residential premises.
Specifications:
Power [W]: 1000
Voltage [V]: 220
Current [A]: 4.6
Dimensions: [mm] 1500/160/40
Weight [kg]: 4.7
Heated area on average for the Moscow region:
- main heating [sq. m]: 10
PRICE 3186 rubles x 2 pieces (because the room is 18 m2) = 6372 rubles
Total 6372 rubles
That is 4 times more expensive than an oil cooler.
For our ward, with a limited budget, well, just right !!!
You also need to fix it to the ceiling, apparently for free! Well, or papahav husband, which is true in the end - without noise and dust!

[Rina]

Until the real cold broke out, I want to buy something for additional or emergency heating of the room.
Can you advise on what to look for when choosing a radiator?

Can you stick me in too?
Rina, you need an oil heater up to 2 kW with two heating elements to be able to turn off one of the two. I will be in Comfi or at my old job, I will find you a model that is optimal for the price.
Oil accelerates longer, but does not dry the air and after turning off it slowly cools down. This is the best option for your case.
Heaters with open heat exchangers dry the air.
It is expensive to use air conditioning for heating.
For petuniya80 - infrared heaters are used for zoned heating, so it is not suitable for this case !!! First of all, we need to warm up the bottom of the room.

Kilowatts will remain constant spent on heating, respectively, and the amount of money too.
Well, and with power, unfortunately, it will not be possible to reduce it without denying yourself comfort.

I agree with this - how much a kilowatt of thermal energy is needed to heat a room, so much the heater will consume electricity (taking into account the conversion factor). Therefore, you can save only with a three-phase meter (but there are costs for its installation).
And throwing hairpins about a small budget is not tactful !!! We are not rich enough to buy unsuitable or ponty things !!!
I will not accept remarks about competence, since I have been working in heating engineering and trading in heating equipment for 20 years and at one time cooperated with the regional committee for energy saving.
Regarding autonomous heating - unfortunately, now they are not allowed to install them - once, and there are critical situations with autonomous heating (for example, power outages) - two ...

All the more wonderful and more wonderful. (from)

I wonder who I will turn into by the end of the third page of this topic.

It all started with a simple question: what to look for when choosing a radiator.

1. I'm not going to install the air conditioner. At least not this fall. If he does (the husband insisted after the heat of last summer, this summer he did it), then only on the basis of cooling.
2. I doubted very much about the climate center. And spend 200-350 USD That is, an untested technique, an experiment is, I'm sorry, nonsense .. Alim and the gypsy, thanks again for the real feedback.
3. Infrared heaters have been actively advertised for the last few years. I also considered this option. But ... As an emergency gang has its drawbacks. When the room is well cooled, while surrounding objects not warmed up, you need to be in the area of ​​operation of this heater. As soon as you "fall out" of this zone, and it has very clear boundaries, you immediately get the effect of a cold shower.

If there was something like a floor carpet with built-in heating, then I would have spent money and bought it. But so far I only come across heating elements "warm floor", which need to be laid under the laminate

Carpet with heating would be the best solution - turn it on or off as needed, warm air in its physics rises up, that is, there are no sudden temperature changes. At the end of the cold weather, the carpet was rolled up and placed on the mezzanine or on the closet. But that's all

Therefore, while an oil cooler, a convector or ... something non-stationary.
by the way, about the windows ... about which window I have, I did not write. It is made of metal-plastic. But even a metal-plastic window is a zone of heat loss simply due to the properties of glass and air. It's just that in the MP, these losses are less than in the old Soviet windows.

This is all good, of course, but "the population also has concerns":

Heaters of this type for indoor areas where people are staying for a long time are not certified in most European countries.

I will answer reasonably - in Ukraine, climatic equipment undergoes mandatory certification and in the Ministry of Health receives a "conclusion of a sanitary and epidemiological examination" on the possibility of using it for the population.

[petuniya80]

For petuniya80 - infrared heaters are used for zoned heating, so it is not suitable for this case !!! First of all, we need to warm up the bottom of the room.

Knocking yourself on the chest, supposedly with competence, of course, is possible, only in such cases, as a rule, it turns out - as always.
This type of heater is intended forfor heating large surfaces radiant energy, to which the floors belong, and without preheating the air, which is convenient, and without laying underfloor heating.
Two such heaters, spaced evenly on the ceiling, will block the entire room (floor).
The floors are immediately heated (we read the bottom of the room), which accordingly leads to general heating of the premises.
It is useful to familiarize yourself with the normative documentation, and then you look and no longer want to knock yourself!
And the local heating really belongs to another and large group of infrared heaters.
What else can I say - live and learn!
About the harm from Baker, this is the case, but it is also necessary to take into account the real spectrum of the radiated energy. For these heaters, the main radiation of the spectrum is not in the harmful range.

Regarding the budget, we read the wishes of the sufferer, in this post
"... But so far I cannot afford to spend money on such a technique."
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143709.0,
and then another and here in this post confirmation
"... And to spend 200-350 USD on an untested technique, an experiment is, excuse me, stupidity ..".
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143709.0,
and I somehow purple, how much and what it costs.
What they asked for, they got it!
I hope that they will also say thank you!
p.s.
Well, wow, there's still a miracle from ukka finished reading, -
".... Therefore, you can save only with a three-phase meter (but there are costs for its installation)."
This is apparently a new discovery in physics and will pull at least for the Nobel Prize.
I will not even comment, to put it mildly.

And I do not advertise infrared heaters, otherwise such an opinion may develop.
I wrote about something else in general.
That's about it
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143709.0

[ukka]

Well, wow, there's still a miracle from ukka finished reading, -
".... Therefore, you can save only with a three-phase meter (but there are costs for its installation)."
This is apparently a new discovery in physics and will pull at least for the Nobel Prize.
I will not even comment, to put it mildly.

I'm going to wipe the crown and stand in line for the Nobel Prize ...

We installed three-phase meters, at night the electricity was inexpensive, it turned out very well, I turn it on and bask on the edge

Shurshun, you too have a Nobel Prize! How are we going to divide?

petuniya80where exactly in messages Rina written about her family's small budget? She doesn't want to spend on ponty or unsuitable things for her !!!

One gets the impression that you have absolutely no idea of ​​physics or heat engineering at all !!! Are you related to the sale of infrared heaters ...

And on three pages they managed to offend and Rina and me ... It seems that you strongly ask to go to the bathhouse ... I'll go Baker invite ...

[ukka]

Personally, I do not quarrel, I write on the merits.
And she began to respond to a "pleasant" remark from ukka.
And I attach links. And quotes. And the arguments. Read carefully! And look at all the posts (fortunately, everything is on one page), then the opinion will be different.
Well, if only I did not write with the counter, but this is nonsense and please, let ukka will write that it is not so, and I will certainly apologize for the word "stupidity"!
Quote Ref: Shurshun from Today at 02:44 -
We installed three-phase meters, at night the electricity was inexpensive, it turned out very well, I turn it on and bask on the edge -
it cannot be accepted, since we are talking about the night tariff for electricity. The dual rate meter can be either single-phase or three-phase.
Saving on heating only at night, and during the day, apparently you can freeze with a baby... And where does the counter?
And Rina, I can only wish a successful and correct choice.

... I didn't like physics ...
I am the most ordinary and very active (especially in the past), and now in the village, a user.
I even used such plates - there was a ceramic tube with a spiral that broke endlessly, and we even had a "goat" - when it was -45T outside, and the batteries were a little warm!
There were oil, and now I turn on, and fan heaters, in short, there is a whole collection.
In the fall, now that is, we turn on the icolaines in the village - I can't say anything bad yet! Heat is with them, they heat not only what is under them, but almost the entire room. Two small ones, 600 each, and one 1000. That is, in three rooms, 1 each.
In winter, how they will work - winter has not yet come, tests have not been carried out ...
That from all of them the head hurts - it is from everyone, except fan heaters. Well, these are not without harm - they drive the dust.
The best heater is the Russian stove! If not carbon monoxide.

And the sellers on the forum have already got it .......
If only they would create a special zone for them with red flags and warnings - to write only positively enthusiastic or naively questioning posts!

[MariV]

MariV, I agree, for certain cases, infrared heaters are the best solution. Even more - sometimes there is simply no other way out ...
But Rina needs to warm up the floor in the whole room first of all, because small children. Under infrared, there will be subcooling zones. The height of the room and the geometric dimensions of the room (square or rectangle) also matter.



Judging by the diagram, there is only 5-10% of the heat at the floor level ...

And by installing an oil one near the source of heat loss (balcony, window), we will create a thermal curtain. With the door closed in the room (with a small undercut at the bottom, as expected) and with proper ventilation in the apartment, air flows will first of all go in the floor area, and not all rise up. It is quite possible to hold out for a couple of days this way (which is exactly what Rina needed in case of emergencies at the boiler room or on the heating main). In addition, the oil cools down as slowly as it heats up.
We hibernated with oil for one extreme week in winter (in this case, as Rina describes, and even with a baby). And infrared warmed at work, I also experienced it on myself, and not only on people.

[Heated carpet]

And who wrote there that there are no heated carpets? They are dear, they are. I googled and found

A warm rug with a carpet - at the base of which the SkySun energy film is built in, is already completely ready for use. The surface of the warm rug heats up to 45 degrees, the heat is evenly distributed over the entire surface of the product.
The possibility of using a warm rug:

for heating living rooms;
for comfort on the floor;
for animals;
for air ionization;
for the prevention of acute respiratory infections;
for drying shoes or other objects;
for local heating of shops and offices;
for local heating of other premises (stalls, containers, greenhouses, etc.)

Size (mm) Price - UAH.
1200*750*7 500
1500*1200*7 1000

Heated carpet

Audio Video Life Introduced an electronic carpet from the Japanese company Matsushita Electric. It seems that you have already guessed - in the East, chairs are often not used, and since people there are not simple and obsessed with high technologies, they have come up with a very original way out.

A miracle invention can change the temperature depending on the movement of people. With the help of an infrared sensor installed next to the carpet, the number of people and their location is determined. Then the device begins to warm up to a comfortable temperature in the places where they sit. In addition, the carpet can act as a heater - at low temperatures in the room. The cost and going on sale are still unknown, but the novelty is in demand in cold winter Russian apartments.

[lesik_l]

lesik_l, to learn about the reliability of such a carpet, and so - what Rina needs !!! My concern is that something could be dropped on the carpet or the heating element is damaged (short circuit, etc.). Is the protection reliable in this case?

If there was something like a floor carpet with built-in heating, then I would have spent money and bought it. But so far I only come across heating elements "warm floor", which need to be laid under the laminate

Carpet with heating would be the best solution - turn it on or off as needed, warm air in its physics rises up, that is, there are no sudden temperature changes. At the end of the cold weather, the carpet was rolled up and placed on the mezzanine or on the closet.

Well, in general, such a thing as a heated blanket definitely exists. If the specific goal is to throw children on the floor, then you can look among them. Even my grandmother, I remember, had a heating pad - it looked like such a small, dense blanket, there are probably a lot of similar pieces now and for every taste.
And once such soft panels were advertised - kind warmth was called, like. In fact, it is also similar ...

ps: and there are also sneakers and blankets (and mittens) with heating and power from a computer (USB). Specifically for freezing bakers))

And the matsushitin rug, for sure, stands as a climate control system (after all, he, an infection, is very smart ...)

Therefore, you can save only with a three-phase meter (but there are costs for its installation).

Sorry, I meant a multi-tariff electricity meter ... Thank you for correcting it !!!

Carpet is of course good, especially Panasonic (Matsushita Electric) only these devices create a rather strong electromagnetic field

In many devices of this type, the technology of e-mailing has been used for a long time. fields. Two wires with different polarities run side by side, parallel to each other. Thus, the induction created by one wire is compensated for by the adjacent one.

I am terribly sorry, but I am worried about this question and very worried ...

My concern is that something could be dropped on the carpet or the heating element is damaged (short circuit, etc.). Is the protection reliable in this case?

[ukka]

ukka It is not reliable, it should be in the RCD shield for 10 milliamperes, this is at least a machine for this device in terms of current consumption.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, this is what scares!
I'm afraid if someone (like me) with crooked handles drops something on the rug ... And the rug will close or be shocked ... And there are children on the rug !!!
It's just that my installers faced complaints when installing an electric underfloor heating (electric beats, etc.) ... If it is possible to install a boiler for heating, they install a water underfloor heating ...

[Rina]

Where am I? where is my stuff?! (from)

Rina
One hundred years, one hundred winters
I don't like cold myself, brr, I like warmth.
I would like to understand already, but are you still inclined to something? What choice did you make for yourself? What's closer?
Perhaps this is not a cheap option, the one that I advised, but I was guided by the feeling of warmth, comfort. I hung it myself. My bedroom is more than 10 meters, but I hung it over the bed, that is, where it is needed, this is my choice, I just shared it. I doubt very much that people will cut off the batteries. But since I did the repair myself, I cut it off boldly. The third year is not offended by myself.
What is good about my heater - I'll tell you. This miracle heats the floor, walls, furniture. Example: winter. I wake up, stomp into the bathroom, turn on the thermostat, wash, tram pam pam, come to the kitchen - sit on a stool - warm ... Barefoot. And the floor is warm from heating. Although I did when the repair deliberately left concrete + the cheapest foam (or foam)) linoleum. Minus: there is a refrigerator in the kitchen. Fortunately that it is white, it would be in color - I think it would be very hot.
To warm up the footage recommended for a particular model, 20 minutes is enough, a maximum of 30. It all depends on how chilled you are in the morning) I am a frost, I understand you. Regarding clear zones - well, no, well, really, I am an eyewitness. A cold shower - nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh Maybe you got this impression because we warm one and ventilate the other adjacent room by opening the window? I meet this while visiting)
Another option is heat loss. Let me explain.You are under or near a heater. And this warm little girl gently kisses her shoulders. You move away from the warmth, and these kissing stops. Mean, huh? )) Psychologically, it turns out "cold offensive shower"  (read as an assumption)

by the way, about the windows ... about which window I have, I did not write.

They told you: you have little money, you have a large window, and do not dare to change it !!!! ))))))))
Rina, it's called without me they married)

About a carpet - a good idea, warm to the paws - warm to the whole body. As in a hike - in woolen socks and a swimsuit))

MariV
How I looked at your message - I cannot understand. Greetings
I read about the installation .. It's strange, the installation is trivial - 4 fixings to the ceiling .. Maybe it's just a couple of trifles for me, a puncher is a simple tool for me .. (Don't think I'm criticizing, for every master it will be surprising to hear this) And I Pts glad that I am also an adherent of these heaters. It's nice that I'm not the only one to appreciate it)
I also have a head like a big downy ball from oil heaters and from fan heaters. I sniffed this stuff in early spring in summer holiday homes. I ran from them to the street) Because otherwise I was on vacation like a half-dead caterpillar ..
I also vote for the Russian stove !!! And please wrap me around her, and wrap me up with a blanket. Oh, thanks will be to everyone))
Regarding the sellers on the forum) When I saw the topic, I didn’t go to the forum for several years, in principle, I thought that I’ll write in now - and I was banned for advertising)) And then I thought - yes. Ban, not ban, but it's warm !! And if I feel so good and pleasant, because of doubts about me, will I be silent? NOT! And it's warm for me!

ukka
Greetings
Our climatic equipment also undergoes mandatory certification and in the Ministry of Health receives a "conclusion of the sanitary and epidemiological examination" on the possibility of using it for the population. Without such conclusions, I, too, would be wary of the equipment.
P.S. You and I are princes. Grumpy cooks will wipe our crowns)

Baker
I did not understand from the garlic what fears, but let them be since they are already there
Experts recommend these heaters even in kindergartens. Before buying the first och I read a lot, went to specialized exhibitions. About the harmfulness of fears or what? In general, see above answer)

petuniya80
Hello, albeit horror, Comrade Himmler. Orders, decrees)) It's unpleasant to read you. Gough gough. This I explain on yours that it is impossible to talk to people in this way, and even to correspond with people is ugly .. Although, according to your words, "my husband papahav" I understand where the legs grow from ... It's a pity. I really didn’t want to write to you, I had to keep you on the whole topic. Ramili.
With a bad head, you can hang three, so multiply safely by 4. It seems not crookedly written that engineers can give smart advice: where exactly to hang and which heater is more efficient. You can see that you want the best, but throwing tomatoes and shouting about the vitamin tomato mask is smart? If you are over fifteen, you should understand that no one wants to give bad advice, everyone SHARES their impressions and knowledge. But you only have black and white. "Aha, they advised, and in the afternoon freeze and even take a baby and freeze with him .." I don't remember the name of the parrot in Aladdin, but this is how to communicate and demand respect for yourself ...

sazalexter
Hello Peter
I still can't get to your city by car in order to explore the surroundings and not depend on autobus.
On the subject: about the electromagnetic field, I also tend to its strong influence ...

Experts recommend these heaters even in kindergartens. Before buying the first och I read a lot, went to specialized exhibitions. About the harmfulness of fears or what? In general, see above answer)

I would beat such specialists with slippers. Well, no continuous exposure spectrum can be useful. Even being in the sun a lot is harmful (and even as harmful, and it has been proven a thousand times already), although it would seem like "sun-air-and-water" ...But if someone wants to live in a halogen oven, it's a matter of taste. The intensity is different, but the meaning is the same.

This crap was originally conceived and justified where there is no way to normally heat the room, or where there is no room at all (street cafes, verandas, tents, etc.), and where someone will be for a fairly short time (well, not 24 hours for sure).

If I counted on being 24 hours in a cold room, I would either go to warm guests (give me shelter in a pazhalast's bathhouse), or dress in a hundred clothes (and all with fasteners!) Wrap myself in all the blankets and play with a fur caterpillar.

Ernimel .. Do you seriously think these are street heaters ?? A bold step, I would even say innovative. But I will not argue. Here is what is written about the physics of infrared heaters: "The temperature of the heating element is selected so that the surface of the heat-emitting plate facing the floor heats up to 250C °. Due to the properties of the plate, 90% of the energy is converted into a stream of heat rays diverging from the plate to the floor and only 10 % is spent on heating the heater body and the air in contact with the body. "
Regarding kindergartens .. It's hard to say, maybe you are right, but for my part I will say that if I choose between oil heaters or fan heaters, I would definitely (at the moment) choose Eco ...

Members of the forum! Due to the fact that, firstly, I am not an engineer (I confess, I sprinkle ashes on my head), and secondly, I wrote about them as a user, as a very happy, warm user. For all other questions - go to the "Products" section on their corporate website, everything is clearly written there. With a picture. It's simple. I made my choice, and if I have to make it for the third time, most likely I will choose them. Of course, having studied before that what is tasty and new.

I think that this is all (taking into account the previous posts) that I can say about the infrared heaters of this company (I didn’t use others, I can’t tell - I don’t know). Therefore, this is all that I could do in this topic. It is useless to participate in the debate, why defend a good weight) As one person says, "Don't feed the troll"

Rina, honey, I wish you such a choice so as not to regret it. As a hostess, I will tell the hostess - for the second year already, indulging in the warmth, at the same time, I dry apples under it at night. They are between me and the heater) I sleep like a contented apple worm. And the smell))