Chaykaleo
Dear veterans. Help dispel doubts. I heard from rumors, on the forum I found confirmation of the incommensurable taste of bread baked in the oven and in the store. I was eager to buy this miracle (oven). But after delving into the forum a little (thoroughly there was no time yet), especially in the section where to buy the ingredients, some doubts arose. A little, so to speak, introductory text that would help imbued with the problem.
Although I myself am an "adult uncle" (42 years old), to my shame I haven’t learned to cook (it seems as if there was no need), and I’m looking at my son with no particular zeal (also always in business) First my mother, and now my wife cooks wonderfully ... And the responsibilities in the family are so distributed that this procedure does not touch me (I get everything ready-made) I don’t make a cult of food, but I love to eat. And basically I prefer only fresh bread, that is, if it's morning at lunchtime, then somehow it's already not there (not counting on buffers in the form of a brake for work, there is no need to choose here).
I understand that the stove will solve this problem (tasty and always fresh), but will it not produce another? Our mummy (wife) has a birthday soon and I wanted to present her with a gift in the form of a stove, but would she not later remember us (with her son) in sui, in the sense that this problem will fall on her shoulders. No, of course, in my free time I will try to help (I see it seems to be easy by posts), but something (intuition) tells me that this (like all the family's food) will fall on her shoulders. I will not say that they (shoulders) are very fragile and she doesn’t complain about the prevailing "disposition of the household" and she is a wonderful hostess, but not much (this is also) will be burdensome for her. She also works (as a teacher), naturally comes (from work) before us and it seems like there is time, but we all know that there is time and it’s as if it’s not. After reading a little in the section like "where to buy ingredients for baking" especially The people of Kiev (to whom we belong) the question arose, but she (Mom) needs such happiness. Therefore, doubts crept in about the advisability of acquiring "this miracle" (oven). Or are these fears far-fetched. And it’s interesting to find out how housewives, with about the same busyness, manage to pamper themselves and their households with fresh bread on a regular basis, or, nevertheless, in these circumstances (employment) this dish (bread) is more suitable for the concept of a weekend dish. ? Well, and a completely non-territorial question in our time, the cost price is all the same to some extent comparable to a store copy (of course, I am silent about the quality)
Thanks in advance for your attention.
PS Yes, by the way, I stopped when choosing 255 on Panas, but with a cursory browsing of the Internet I feel there will be problems with the acquisition (time is running out) of this technique. Kiev, although the capital, but I see, bread baking, like everything new (relatively) and useful, slowly penetrates the minds of citizens, and therefore the market is in no hurry to overwhelm us with an excess of offers when buying.
Alen delonghi
I am the same guy. And there is no relation to cooking. But any man should be able to do everything. Guided by this motto, and another one - "less words - more action" - we act!
fugaska
about the cost is a moot point. a bread maker is profitable abroad, where purchased bread is expensive. in practice, the cost is practically equal to the cost of ordinary bread. BUT! you will bake an environmentally friendly product, and even from different flours, and with the addition of seeds, etc.! so your bread will be profitable anyway!
about the complexity of preparation and service - nothing complicated! the bulk of the members of the forum are very busy people.but at the same time to spend half an hour on a bookmark and to "wash the dishes" find an opportunity, it's worth it!
but you were late with the purchase ... before the new year, almost everything was swept off the shelves! so the purchase itself will be more difficult than making bread
in any case - success to you !!! happy shopping and delicious bread !!!
Anastasia
You won't have to look for ingredients for white bread, so there is nothing terrible here, and the pleasure of your own white bread, even ordinary, even French, even Italian, is huge. Labor costs are also not very large - put all the ingredients in the correct order according to the selected recipe and press the "start" button. The dough for pies, pies and dumplings, again, is much easier to knead in a bread maker than with your hands, this is my IMHO, as a hostess, here I am very grateful to the stove, I have never made such a number of dumplings and pies as after buying a bread machine. My stove is over 4 years old. The timer, again, will help you to get a fresh loaf at any certain time, even by the morning, even by the evening, as if you are in the family, get used to it, so you cannot call your own bread a weekend dish.
Difficulties can only be with baking rye bread - yes, it will take ingredients and skill and experience. I don't bake it. For me, even without rye baking, the advantages are enough.
But if I were you, I would not time the purchase of a bread machine specifically for my wife's birthday - many women do not like such birthday gifts, after all, this is essentially a "thing for home, for comfort" or a bread machine should be an additional gift to any personal one a gift to his wife. In general, it all depends on the nature of the woman and her views on such gifts in principle.
Viki
Good question! I just want to answer in big letters WORTH!
Ordinary, that is, just baking bread will not be difficult, but if you want something special, I think you can find any additives in Kiev. For example, I also work, but baking has not become a problem. It's tasty, healthy, and pleasant .... Of course it's up to you to decide, but it's better not for your birthday, and maybe even get some advice.
I am for the mutual consent of the spouses. Let her take part in the choice, maybe another model is closer to her or something else ...
Korata
On December 31, I watched with pleasure the long queues for bread .. especially pleased with such queues in the 10-degree frost ... once I stood like that)) and at home, warm fresh bread is waiting for me and it costs 10 minutes to book products warm)))
natalka
Quote: Korata

On December 31, I watched with pleasure the long queues for bread .. especially pleased with such queues in the 10-degree frost ... once I stood like that)) and at home, warm fresh bread is waiting for me and it costs 10 minutes to book products warm)))
It was very pleasant when I realized that you don't need to be in this queue and, in principle, you cannot have such problems.
Elena Bo
Or maybe for a start, carefully (with the help of leading questions) ask your wife if she needs such an assistant? Maybe she is counting on diamonds, and you are her kitchen appliances. If she loves to bake from yeast dough, then the bread baker is worth giving.
Chaykaleo
Quote: Alen Delonghi

I am the same guy. And there is no relation to cooking. But any man should be able to do everything. Guided by this motto, and another one - "less words - more action" - we act!
Damn ..., I was afraid of this, but I quickly "shoot" (without delving into the topic) I do not get it. As luck would have it, there was enough time (thanks to the holidays) to read your entire section about comparing Panas 255 and Delongy 125 (I must pay tribute to you, your posts are well argued and the manner of your presentation of the material is very attractive "envelops", and you want to "become in your ranks" , which I probably will do. If I were you, I would consider the issue of paying you extra from Delongy for promoting the brand in the CIS)
But seriously, I was always careful about buying any equipment (I weighed everything a hundred times), then I tried to grab it, but it doesn't work.Even in the recent past, with the same purchase of a TV, etc., I never wanted to overpay simply for the brand, because I understood that besides SONY and Panasov there are such companies as TOSHIBA, JViSi, Akai, Phillips (let's start and stop), etc. and technical equipment + - - is about the same, only the price of these two giants includes image promotion and advertising. The question is, why pay more. The Delongy brand is already represented in my house in the form of an espresso coffee maker (it should be noted that for coffee lovers (which I am) an irreplaceable thing (and it has been working for almost 2 years like a clock, by the way, it was also bought for the wife's birthday, this is for the posts written below, about the expediency of buying exactly for a birthday, and not for another date, with which I can partially agree, but seeing the "sea of ​​joy" on the face of my wife during the presentation (she is also a coffee man), you start to think - not everything is so bad with the choice of the date, she I have a somewhat practical young lady, or I made her like this)), after her all the other (not expresso) types of coffee are a miserable likeness. Well, the design of the Italians has always been at the highest level (which is confirmed by the same cars that have repeatedly become the car of the year in their class). But I was distracted by something ...
On the topic "a man should be able to do everything" - you can't even argue here (almost an axiom). And in the house, in principle, a lot has been done by my hands (and repairs and a wardrobe ... etc., it is somehow ugly to hang medals for yourself, let others talk about our advantages, but it so happened that I have nothing to do with cooking - not more than ... Naturally, before letting my spouse approach an unfamiliar technique, I myself will study and try ..., and there, as they say, "a flag in hand".
Alen delonghi remind me please, there is Russian tex on the display, if not, how difficult is it to adapt?
Quote: Viki

I am for the mutual consent of the spouses. Let her take part in the choice, maybe another model is closer to her or something else ...
She, knowing my meticulousness in the choice of technique, usually entrusts me with this procedure (choice) and I seemed to be especially not letting her down. (not counting the purchase of a food processor, I listened to my neighbor “what a good and irreplaceable thing” and bought it) is her opinion).
Quote: Elena Bo

Or maybe for a start, carefully (with the help of leading questions) ask your wife if she needs such an assistant? Maybe she is counting on diamonds, and you are her kitchen appliances.

Well ... who of the ladies will give up the bruliks, but marital experience (21 years) gave me a little opportunity to get to know my wife and, if possible (and she knows that I did not beat Heitz), alternate the useful with the pleasant
Quote: fugaska

but you were late with the purchase ... before the new year, almost everything was swept off the shelves! so the purchase itself will be more difficult than making bread
in any case - success to you !!! happy shopping and delicious bread !!!
Unfortunately, I always try to postpone the purchase of a gift for my free time (which for some reason is always lacking), probably many men have such a mentality (do it at the last moment), but there is still time until January 21, I hope to meet it.
Thank you all for your kind words.
PS Now only Delongy 125
Jefry
Yes, for a gift to his wife, HP is not very keen IMHO. My just said just now - no pans for DR! And as a good addition to the family - what you need! By the way, speaking of being busy, I also don't like to cook and am busy, like most, but I always find time for bread and I do it with great pleasure. And my wife never baked bread, maximum dough for dumplings and dumplings. By the way, we have a tradition - after NG, when we put Christmas tree decorations in a box, we leave there leaves with wishes for the next year. And then we read, decorating the next tree. So my wife, among other desires, has HP for 2007 !!! As for saving money: the cost of a regular 1kg loaf for me is about 0.4 ye, with salami and cheese - 2 ye. But I bake one friend to order for a loaf of $ 1 a week, so that's enough for flour.But I do not feel much pleasure from this fact, since it is always a pity to part with my work.
3ay4ik
I have been baking bread for almost 3 months and I can safely say: buy and do not think. You will see how much bread, even from the most ordinary flour, is better than store-bought. Although the cost of homemade bread is really close to the cost of store bread. But the taste ... And the smell ... My husband also chose a bread maker for a very long time, but he wanted one where you can bake rye bread. We have a Panasonic-255. We are very satisfied. As for the ingredients: 400 g jars of rye malt bought in Moscow at VDNKh were enough for 3 months. Here they write that you can buy it in Kiev too. In addition, it can be replaced with dry kvass. So the problem is solvable. Join the bakers!
natalka
Quote: Sudarev

PS Now only Delongy 125

Take your time to make the final choice. I'm not saying this because I have something against Delonga, on the contrary, I really like her, just before you finally decide, look at them both inside and outside alive, touch, listen to how they work, press the buttons on the display, and then- then you will definitely feel which one is yours. Good luck and the right choice!
Alen delonghi
Quote: Sudarev

Damn ..., I was afraid of this, but I quickly "shoot" (without delving into the topic) I do not get it.
PS Now only Delongy 125

Thanks for the kind words. Delongy doesn't pay me. Simply, after analyzing everything on the market, I chose the Delongy 125S as the bread maker with the most flexibility and creative freedom. And at the same time, with all the standard features of almost any HP. Well, at the same time, a completely reasonable and reasonable price (in Kiev I bought for $ 113, now it is more difficult to find at such a price).

As for the "economic effect" - I agree with all of the above - it is primarily that you, having bought ingredients once every couple of months, are saved from wasting time buying bread, and you get bread of the quality you need.

Well, and the last thing: for me personally, this is also new knowledge and excellent gymnastics for the brain.

As for the Delonghi 125S - buy it safely. I am sure that if you do not get bored with this business, you will get a lot of pleasure. First try the standard recipes that are described in the instructions. I never had punctures with them - everything worked out. When you catch the "habits" of the stove and flour, yeast, etc., do something of your own, to your taste.

And the last thing. This site will give you ALL information that any "Khlebopechkin" needs, be it a beginner or an experienced one.
Swing to the side, a useful, necessary and exciting thing. And immediately "take the reins" into your own hands - technology is a man's business. ... just wait ...

Chaykaleo
Quote: Alen Delonghi

Thanks for the kind words. Delongy doesn't pay me.
This is it, it's time to demand a share from them
Quote: Alen Delonghi

Simply, after analyzing everything on the market, I chose the Delongy 125S as the bread maker with the most flexibility and creative freedom. And at the same time, with all the standard features of almost any HP. Well, at the same time, a completely reasonable and reasonable price (in Kiev I bought for $ 113, now it is more difficult to find at such a price).
This makes you listen to your words, they feel the desire to get to the bottom of the truth and deep self-awareness.
Quote: Alen Delonghi


As for the "economic effect" - I agree with all of the above - it is primarily that you, having bought ingredients once every couple of months, are saved from wasting time buying bread, and you get bread of the quality you need.
Convincing, like there is nothing to cover
Quote: Alen Delonghi


As for the Delonghi 125S - buy it safely. I am sure that if you do not get bored with this business, you will get a lot of pleasure. First try the standard recipes that are described in the instructions. I never had punctures with them - everything worked out. When you catch the "habits" of the stove and flour, yeast, etc., do something of your own, to your taste.
There are no doubts about purchasing this device, the only question is in time, in that sense I will have time ... I will not have time for the date.
Pancake...."you tell me so tastefully that salivation is flowing" (c) (in my opinion it sounds like this - VERA, Moscow does not believe in tears) I thought that somewhere far away, I hope a good baker is sitting in me.
Quote: Alen Delonghi

And the last thing. This site will give you ALL information that any "Khlebopechkin" needs, be it a beginner or an experienced one.
Swing to the side, a useful, necessary and exciting thing. And immediately "take the reins" into your own hands - technology is a man's business. ... just wait ...
I felt it. I hope after the purchase I will become a frequent guest on it (perhaps with my wife, although she is rather weak on the internet, but we will have to learn more).
Alen delonghi
By the way, I looked at the prices in Kiev - here they generally offer HP at very low prices - the reason is unknown, ask yourself and write to us. Their prices are generally 10-20-30% lower than today's market prices. And the Delongy 125 is only $ 106!
But you should be careful. Suddenly they buy up defective equipment ...
Chaykaleo
Quote: Alen Delonghi

By the way, I looked at the prices in Kiev - here they generally offer HP at very low prices - the reason is unknown, ask yourself and write to us. Their prices are generally 10-20-30% lower than today's market prices. And the Delongy 125 is only $ 106!
But you should be careful. Suddenly they buy up defective equipment ...
Bravo ..., you just like me (or vice versa) "got to the bottom" to the lowest price. It was the first and so far the only company where I called (how strange, given the holidays, I got through) at about 5 pm and received the answer "at the moment this product is no longer available, but where on January 8 a new batch should arrive", but to my remark, as to the price, it will remain, I received the answer "there will be a new batch, but take off the new prices, and we'll see." In general, there is still time (until date X), "we will wait", and then we will go further (based on the current situation.)
Mams
It's not a question to buy or not, the question is, what kind of LG I had for many, many years (almost 9). At the same time, at first I was a young mother (the eldest was 8, and the little one was several months old), then I was a working mother with children at school - children. garden ... It took 9 minutes to bookmark products - my record! Not so much, it is quite possible in the evening, before going to bed. About the price. There are few people who actually compare comparable things. Store bread for 9-10 rubles. to compare with home is simply unthinkable. What do they put there at the factory - God knows them, but in large supermarkets, I think there is also in Kiev, look how much good bread really costs? And then we will count the home. I think that all the same home will win here in price. And in taste ... Even an inexpensive LG (in Moscow it is really possible to buy for 2,5-3 thousand rubles) is already a sea of ​​possibilities. I baked in mine from a mixture of rye and wheat - delicious, with bran - delicious, with nuts, poppy seeds, raisins, seeds - very tasty. Well, Easter cake. Shop - well, not that ... They cooked jam, in winter it's good when there is frozen fruit, just a bag - 450-500 gr. Cooked - ate, and does not stale, and you can cook different things whenever you want.
And with models ... Here, I think everyone will praise their own - and rightly so. Still, the Brand must be taken into account in this case. Because large manufacturers, in principle, can and are investing money in development, etc. And small, unknown people take old developments - and forward, mold themselves a "model range". (Exclusively my opinion).
By ingredients. Back in 1999 and in Moscow, there were not so many opportunities to buy the desired product. Well, I didn't have Panifarin, good flour made good bread anyway. Sugar, yeast, eggs, milk, flour - what else is needed for good bread?
Arina
Interestingly, for some reason no one pays attention to their size when choosing stoves. When I was choosing mine, I read Alena and caught fire at Delongy, looked - and she was 50 cm wide (or long). I have a smaller microwave. I bought a Panasonic 255, although I was going to buy a 253 (the functions are about the same, but I didn't want to overpay for a new model) or Moulinex 2000 (it seemed small). As a result, I bought what I had and I was very happy.Although several times I regretted that it was impossible to disconnect in it in the process and re-program (for example, I began to make chocolate with nuts and forgot to put the program "with raisins", I had to turn off the HP and intervene with my hands).
Celestine
Quote: Arina

it is impossible to disconnect in it in the process and re-program (for example, I began to make chocolate with nuts and forgot to put the program "with raisins", I had to turn off the HP and intervene with my hands).

For what hands? She lifted the lid during kneading and threw the nuts, let her knead them herself.
If you don't want to, turn off and put another program.
Arina
= For what with hands? She lifted the lid during kneading and threw the nuts, let her knead them herself.
If you don't want to, turn off and put another program. =

If you remember it in time. And if the batch has already ended? While I was thinking about which program I could switch to, so as not to start from the beginning, I decided that it was faster and safer with my hands.
Lika
Then you can simply switch on the TEST program to knead and rise the yeast dough. Is there such a thing? Then turn on the BAKING mode. If you do not interrupt the program - during the rise, the HP makes 2-3 kneading doughs, if there are not many nuts, then they can interfere. I added seeds like that, also a girl's memory
Arina
Honestly, I didn't think about Dough and Baking. I made bread. I’m just a very young baker. Still, what a good bread maker I have!
Celestine
Quote: Arina

Honestly, I didn't think about Dough and Baking. I made bread. I’m just a very young baker. Still, what a good bread maker I have!

Recently, I don't know why, I knead all the bread on the "Pizza" program, it costs how much it costs, and then - "Pastry" ... probably to control the bun
Pupstt
Quote: Celestine

Recently, I don't know why, I knead all the bread on the "Pizza" program, it costs how much it costs, and then - "Pastry" ... probably to control the bun
And how to set the baking mode only? Maybe I don't have this in 254 model? I did not find it in the instructions (((Just today I only needed to bake without kneading, but no, it didn't work out, I had to knead the risen dough again.
Celestine
Quote: Pupstt

And how to set the mode exclusively for baking? Maybe I don't have this in 254 model? I did not find it in the instructions (((Just today I only needed to bake without kneading, but no, it didn't work out, I had to knead the risen dough again.

Should be ... exactly, maybe "cupcake" is called?
Korata
Quote: Pupstt

And how to set the mode exclusively for baking? Maybe I don't have this in 254 model? I did not find it in the instructions (((Just today I only needed to bake without kneading, but no, it didn't work out, I had to knead the risen dough again.
Well, what about ?? page 13. And on the stove, this mode goes to the bottom right - after pizza
Pupstt
Quote: Celestine

Should be ... exactly, maybe "cupcake" is called?
Well (((I didn't notice the elephant ((
Probably ruined the bread with the second batch (((
Arina
Celestina, but you keep the total time of making bread, for example, "Basic" 4 hours, or shorten it?
Celestine
Quote: Arina

Celestina, but you keep the total time of making bread, for example, "Basic" 4 hours, or shorten it?

I knead, and then I wait until it rises to its real height and turn on the "baking"
Chaykaleo
Wow, how they flooded. Well, in general, as many predicted, this oven (Delongy 125) to NG was swept away from all Internet shops in Kiev and those mega-markets of everyday life. techniques that I found and phoned
"Do you have the same one, but with mother-of-pearl .... buttons? No, well will seek" (from)
I feel to some pleasure the young ladies will have to fork out for brulliks (meaning a ring), and to time the stove to coincide with the wedding anniversary (January 31, although my intuition tells me that it may not appear before these dates), well then "God himself ordered" by March 8 (, well, yes ..., yes ... that's me, I just need a date)
Jefry
In no case do not give HP on March 8th! It breaks right away, or the bread will not work, one more ring with a diamond is better! But on February 23 - it is already possible ...
fugaska
do not scare the person - it is not at all necessary to give diamonds! the main thing is ATTENTION! surround your wife with such care and attention that she will lose her head! It is clear that you cannot do without a gift, but if you do something stunning at the same time, then this March 8 will be remembered for a lifetime !!!!
Korata
Quote: Jefry

In no case do not give HP on March 8th! It breaks right away, or the bread will not work,
Why else ??? They gave me exactly on March 8 !! and I didn’t even know that my husband knew what I was sick with at that moment !! )) just noticed where I disappear in the net))) For me it was - a double gift! ))
So that - Sudarev, do not be afraid - and give! )) benefit and joy will be to everyone! .. believe me! ))
Zhekka
I also wanted Panas, but did not find it and bought Delongy, which makes me very happy. very simple to use. Why pay more? We bake mainly from wheat flour with candied fruits and raisins, everyone likes it better, but about a present for his wife ... It's better to just buy it at home. Imagine if it would be pleasant for you to receive, say, a hammer as a gift?
Korata
Quote: Жеkka

imagine if it would be pleasant for you .......?
You may not believe, but I jumped to the ceiling for joy !! After all, I was hanging on this site for a month, but I could not do anything ... I swallowed the current of saliva.
And what's the difference WHAT to give? the main thing is that this is WHAT will be what a person really wants to have at the moment.
Elena Bo
Quote: Korata

And what's the difference WHAT to give? the main thing is that this is WHAT will be what a person really wants to have at the moment.
This is what we are talking about. It's one thing to give a gift if the wife is already asleep and sees a bread maker, another thing is when she hasn't thought about it. In this case, it is better to buy it (together with your wife) for yourself on February 23rd. If your wife is impressed, then here is a present for you - delicious fresh bread and pies and rolls. If not, then you yourself will bake. And a man who bakes bread at home commands GREAT respect.
Celestine
And I read on one forum how one man bought a stove, hid it and, secretly from his wife, learned to bake bread with his children, and on March 8 (or DR, I don’t remember exactly) he gave her ready-made bread. I almost burst into tears with emotion, it was not just a gift, but a GIFT
Chaykaleo
Quote: Korata

take unlimited! )))) and everyone will be calmer Is it worth buying a stove? Bread price
Actually, I meant home. I say "Mommy, well, you can talk about the same thing over the phone, if you miss each other so much, then you better get together (even with us) and make a little laugh under the bottle." And I can join this "rosary" (build eyes).
Quote: fugaska

do not scare the person - it is not at all necessary to give diamonds! the main thing is ATTENTION! surround your wife with such care and attention that she will lose her head! It is clear that you cannot do without a gift, but if you do something stunning at the same time, then this March 8 will be remembered for a lifetime !!!!
here .., here .., the main attention. This is if he is not there and gifts will not help
Quote: Korata

You may not believe, but I jumped to the ceiling for joy !! After all, I was hanging on this site for a month, but I could not do anything ... I swallowed the current of saliva.
And what's the difference WHAT to give? the main thing is that this is WHAT will be what a person really wants to have at the moment.
According to Stanislavsky - I believe I observed the same effect when handing over an expresso coffee maker. (even gold earrings, another time did not have such a success
Quote: Zhekka

It's better to just buy it into the house. Imagine if it would be pleasant for you to receive, say, a hammer as a gift?
By the way ..., you know, under certain circumstances (if I really need him and good at that moment, then no question), but the fact is that I'm not a bad owner (around the house) and I have everything with the instrument OK
Quote: Jefry

In no case do not give HP on March 8th! It breaks right away, or the bread will not work, one more ring with a diamond is better! But on February 23 - it is already possible ...
I'm afraid that on February 23rd I may be misunderstood. (using the position for personal gain ...), but I liked your joke
PS By the way, the people of Kiev, who can see it (the Delonghi 125 oven) on sale, do not consider it a work, beacon. Maybe your help will speed up my purchase. I will be grateful
Viki
Quote: Celestine

secretly from his wife he learned to bake bread with the children
This is a gift! Give your wife a real baker, that is, yourself in the role of this very baker, and even with an oven and bread in addition!
lira70
Sudarev
Good luck with your purchase!
Making bread in the oven is nothing complicated, my son lays everything out himself, (12 years old),
When I went to my parents in the summer, brought my own bread, they liked it very much, but what I would give them, they said no (I gave a slow cooker) - mom cannot be white, and dad will buy bread in the store. They came to us for the New Year holidays ... the result - they returned home and bought a bread maker! The first bread was baked yesterday - Darnitsky. So I’ll buy them leaven and they will make rye. Fortunately, there is such a function in Panas 255.
I really don't know if she's in delongue ...
Uncle Sam
Quote: Sudarev

I'm afraid that on February 23rd I may be misunderstood. (using the position for personal gain ...), but I liked your joke
Sudarev, don't be afraid!
I gave myself a stove for DR (well, natural on behalf of my wife and daughter). And I never cease to thank my family for such a comprehensive gift.
HP is a new level of FREEDOM, BOLD and CREATIVITY!
Chaykaleo
Quote: Uncle Sam

Sudarev, don't be afraid!
I gave myself a stove for DR (well, natural on behalf of my wife and daughter). And I never cease to thank my relatives for such a comprehensive gift.
HP is a new level of FREEDOM, BOLD and CREATIVITY!
A good idea And then my spouse always complains about me (I am picky, then I don't like ... behold ...), but gave a little tip and let them now have a headache where to get it Especially since my DR is closer to February 23rd.
Chaykaleo
Quote: Bunny

Sudarev, and do not share links to Internet shops in Kiev ... we are fellow countrymen ... also looking for a stove ...
I apologize for the silence (I went skiing in the Carpathians a little). In principle, nothing complicated (although I myself have recently been friends with the Internet), enter in the search engine of the same Yandex the name of the desired stove with the indication of Ukrainian sites and throws in addresses for you (in fact there are 20 or even more) and follow the links. The saddest thing (as shown by my calls), they all feed from 1-2 feeders (the only difference is the wrap up from $ 106 to $ 135), but there is no real stove (Delongy 125) anywhere, and there is no intelligible answer about the date of receipt either. If you see somewhere in the bargain. store (suddenly you find yourself more fortunate), do not consider the same for work (discard the address, phone number), but I promise if I show up in the Internet store, I will also beacon (if you certainly need this particular model, otherwise I'm not looking - as they say "made a choice for myself")
zabu
Regarding the cost of bread from a bread maker, it now turns out 2 times cheaper than a store one ..
Let's take a loaf - weight 350-400 grams, price from 13 to 16 on average.
My favorite is Italian bread weighing 700 grams.
Flour 400 gr - 15 rubles per kg - 6 rubles
Yeast pack 6 rubles-1 hl- 2 rubles
Oil 1 tsp at 60 rubles per kg - 1 rubles
Electricity 4.5 hours-2 kv-3 rubles
Total 12 rubles for 700 gr of homemade bread
If you bake the simplest bread, then the stove pays off in a year. And if not the simplest, two to three times faster.
And the quality and variety of bread speaks for itself.

Bunny
Sudarev. I already bought Moulinex ... Soon they will be gone
Uncle Sam
ZABU, thanks for the calculation!
Small adjustment.
It takes less electricity.
HP consumes e-mail to its fullest. energy only during baking (and even then, intermittently turning on the heating element). When the kneading is in progress, the counter barely sways, it generally stands on the rise of the dough.
Passport consumption can be achieved only in the "jam" mode, when the heating element is working with the motor at the same time.
Ksenia
The stove is very worth buying: I have been using LG for 4 years, I went through their school. There are no problems at all, Easter cake takes 15 minutes! I put the bread overnight - I set it, 4 minutes. Very good flour "Miracle" and special falconry.The rise is such that I have never baked the maximum size in 4 years - it gets out!
Very good small in olive oil. I make the recipe myself: I must replace part of the water with one egg, be sure to olive oil 1-2 tablespoons (by size). More sugar - I like the crust, less salt - more rise, but you need to take into account the taste. Everything to the point of automatism, she even taught her husband - he bakes his friends for a bachelor party himself, while I trumpet my lectures like an elephant until 11 at night. and baking dough is no longer a problem at all. Forward, without a doubt!
zabu
Quote: Uncle Sam

ZABU, thanks for the calculation!
Small adjustment.
It takes less electricity.
HP consumes e-mail to its fullest. energy only during baking (and even then, intermittently including the heating element). When the kneading is in progress, the counter barely sways, it generally stands on the rise of the dough.
Passport consumption can be achieved only in the "jam" mode, when the heating element is working with the motor at the same time.
Dear Uncle SAM! The electricity was taken approximately, since even in Panasonic they could not tell me the exact figure. The passport for the Pansonik 255 bread maker says 500-550 W. This is per hour or for the entire cycle. But they also have different cycles!
Konfetti
I didn't know where to lay out my unexpected emotions - I see - Temka is a suitable name, in any case.
As I study various topics on this site (and it’s impossible to cover everything at once. Especially after I came here a week ago and came across information about m-cooking, which I managed to buy faster than HP) - today, enthusiasm and anticipation of expectation of HP gave way to the feeling that everything, it turns out, is not so simple :) This is me after reading the topics about koloboks I thought, measured everything, threw it in and wait for bread. Yeah .. schazzz .. I wonder how those who do not have an Internet get along? Can't they do it? -
these are the thoughts that overwhelmed me until I read the whole topic. Before her, I already began to doubt the need for HP. Like, what if I can't do it? But after reading Temka, I calmed down. The stove is still worth buying. I will solve problems as they arise.

Sudarev, good luck to you! I don’t even know what would make me more happy .. A ring or HP They are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo better .. And you can even have bread
The only thing I can say is that the reasoning here did not discourage me from the desire to buy Panasonic 255. Although, before entering the site, I would not have thought that HP could be such a company :) I always considered them audio-video specialists rather than home appliances. And gradually reading the local forums, I drove away the idea to delve into the study of the Panasonic lineup. Yes, and what kind of oven is this - there is not even a window so I accidentally reached the forum about the multicooker And having bought it, I was convinced of the rationality of this invention and then I realized that the soul requires exactly P 255 Fick with him, with a window, so I will peep when courage pick up
Thank you all for "raising" the mood!
Bunny
and I don't follow the kolobok. what for? my stove does a great job on its own!

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