Maybe you shouldn't overpay for brands?

[Sergey Rzhanoy]

Sergey Rzhanoy, I disagree with you. No one is forcing us to buy an expensive product, we choose ourselves. Before buying a bread maker, I searched more than one site (primarily this one), collecting information about all the ovens. We also buy within our means, if I have money, then I will buy something that is more expensive (this applies to any product), if at the moment, in constrained circumstances, I will buy something for which there is enough money. Like this.

I agree with Sergey that when buying a promoted brand, we pay first of all for the brand (I was especially acutely faced with this on multicooker ...). And the price is very, very high !!!
This is not a stone in Panasonic, but about problems with Moulinex ...
I bought x / p Binaton 1008 a year ago, for $ 60. I am happy with her, although here on our forum they frankly looked askance at her ...
Now I'm thinking about buying a programmable x / n, probably it will be either Orion 206 or a similar Clathronic ...
For me, the main thing is the availability of positive reviews on the product.
Well, I don't want to overpay for the brand !!!

I understand that the stove bought should warm the soul and be happy with it that we eat delicious bread, not the one that is shown on TV.

I already wrote here that I bought Panas and I don’t think I overpaid. But at the expense of the fact that all stoves bake the same - by no means. In Panas - squeaked and you can take it out. In the same Binaton, cat. from an employee - she keeps him on heating for another hour, like - she's bothering him. And there are quite a few reviews of people who, having actually tested different models, note the different quality of bread, with the same initial data - recipe, flour and other components. So everything is learned by comparison.

For Tatuli12

I would have agreed with you 10 years ago - but not now. Now, alas, is the time for sheer deception. And in this time of complete deception, the principle "I'm not rich enough to buy cheap things" no longer works. No conscience - no quality. Therefore, you cannot be guided by the price. And what can you do?

[Ksusha]

Ksusha, I never baked anything!
I bake simple white bread without looking ...
And so I bake different - and wheat-rye and buckwheat and with corn flour and Borodinsky. And I bake with yeast and leaven! Always a great result!
Our Admin took Binaton for a break-in, we saw what kind of bread she made !!!
Nobody here Panasonic hait .... Sergey speaks a priori.
And I compared, mine, of course, is better! I met such shots that were unhappy with the bread from Panasonic ...
The main thing in baking bread is to feel it and put a piece of your soul!

Therefore, you cannot be guided by the price. And what can you do?

Reviews and what the eye will fall on!

I convinced about 10 people to buy Orion 206 at $ 66 (10x66 = 660), and if they all bought PANASONIK for $ 230 (10x230 = 2300), then the sellers would have received an additional 2300 - 660 = $ 1640 !!!
Therefore, it makes sense for sellers to prove here that they need to buy PANASES. Alas - the same divorce (or self-divorce) of suckers, as elsewhere in our life.

So who is the Orion seller? And who will be responsible when these "Chinese lanterns" start to "pour"? Not otherwise, super service where you can quickly and without worries repair HP, order a new bucket, buy a lost paddle
Sergey Rzhanoy, take the trouble not to offend Panasonic owners, because there are a lot of them on the site

Least of all I wanted to offend the owners of expensive stoves - I introduced my PERSONAL SUBJECTIVE opinion to those who have not yet bought the stove. If I did it awkwardly - I'm sorry!
I convinced 10 of my work colleagues to buy Orions - because at that time in Kiev they were the cheapest (515 UAH) stoves with acceptable parameters (800 watts, bread up to 1200 grams (I bake up to 1400 grams), a timer for 13 hours and etc.). While everyone is working.
If they break down, we will repair it under warranty or buy others - we saved money! Or maybe we'll bake in the oven!

[Ksusha]

Ksusha, I never baked anything!
I bake simple white bread without looking ...

Please do not consider my posts as collision with other models I'm talking about specific x / p of this model. And this speaks of a kind of lottery when buying equipment. Therefore, you can be guided by a survey on our site about stoves getting into repair.

[Sergei]

So who is the Orion seller? And who will be responsible when these "Chinese lanterns" start to "pour"?

And with what joy they suddenly immediately pour in?
Even if it works for 3 years, I’ll go and buy a new one, with some new set of functions (progress does not stand still). Or in general I will only bake in the oven by that time ...
And how annoying it is when dear x / p "flies" ...
I never hate Panasonic, for me the functionality is attractive to me .... But working on the purchase of cartoons, I was convinced how much the price of the Panasonic brand is too high. I think, Sergei this is trying to tell us ...

[vsedobre]

vsedobre, oh don't Elenberg. Better Orion. I don't trust Elenberg's technique at all.

Please do not consider my posts as collision with other models I'm talking about specific x / p of this model. And this speaks of a kind of lottery when buying equipment. Therefore, you can be guided by a survey on our site about stoves getting into repair.

I understood that you wrote about Binaton a priori ...
Before buying, I found out at the service center how often they get repaired. And the leader in getting into the repair are the Moulinexes, not the Binatons and Klatronics (dear owners of the Moulinexes, please do not be offended) ...

Olya, why should they be offended - there are so many topics about various breakdowns in Mulinex on the forum.
What is political correctness in our forum, however

What grievances can be, we just find out which technique is better and works longer so that people read and choose for themselves.

I have HP-Panas. I bought it, choosing for a long time, shoveling through the entire forum and reviewing-probing many different emergency situations. I don’t consider myself a sucker in any way, nor do I think that I overpaid for advertising ...
But about 1.5 months ago I bought my sister Orion 205 as a gift, all this time I had HP on the "run-in". Honestly, I had to tinker a little with it to fit several of the most popular recipes under it. But I made a conclusion for myself that the stove is quite decent (I cannot judge the reliability yet), moreover, I have already convinced my relatives that such a stove is simply necessary for me at the dacha. They promised to buy me for the "Guest Season"
And now the most interesting thing (sorry, if not the topic) This Orionchik has already gone to his owner "Hitchhiker" or from hand to hand, thanks to kind people he covered the distance of 1200 km.
Today the first bread was baked by telephone. my sister lives in the village, almost no one has KP there, she has no one to consult with, and so. the recipe she chose was "not weak" Butter cake from Elena BO, I smoke many people are familiar with it. I passed this recipe along with HP, as one of the most successful, So, my sister put all the ingredients in a bucket exactly the opposite, (the recipe is for Panasa), and even took the yeast Pakmay, others from them never in even there was no "which poured out to the very bottom of the bucket .... after 3 hours I received a photo on my mobile phone, Bread-THOUGH TO THE EXHIBITION !!!!! I rose above the bucket, evenly rosy, and, as it turned out later, was baked exclusively ... So the conclusion, I think everyone should make for himself, and you shouldn't get hung up on any one model

Excellent result! And most importantly, for those who know or are familiar with these stoves, it is quite even expected-normal !! Almost everyone has already purchased Orions at my work (Delph is simply not in stock at the moment!) And everyone is happy, and the result is good.Even in the private sector, where the voltage in the network falls short of the norm, everything is just OK! And I'm just for my baby

At work I advised the employees to buy Delfa. Two bought and are VERY happy (of course, 350 UAH price !!) - they bake with might and main. The third colleague bought Panasonic, she didn’t get bread, she abandoned the stove. Conclusion: there would be a desire, the stove is secondary.

and where is Delfa such a price in Kiev you can buy now, please give us contacts?

[Shumi]

Shumi Where to buy, ask here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=83.0
will answer much faster

[sazalexter]

sazalexter Thank you, I did not see that there is a Kiev branch.

Shumi by 5ok. there is, but only in Lviv.

I also saw this store, only on the forums I read that there was always some kind of shortage, perhaps because of this, the price is lower for them. I want to buy in Kiev, otherwise you won't get them in Lviv later. They wrote that in Foxtrot they seemed to be in general for 280 UAH, but they quickly disassembled, so I was late)

I’m still learning about Dex, my mother liked it more in appearance, but I don’t see any reviews (

[Shumi]

Yes lan with his yushka ... Shumi , my mom's DEKH has a normal stove. bakes, kneads, there is a dough mode, but there is just kneading, without proofing, there are pastries, everything turns out just fine.

BAD FISH ----- CRAZY YUSHKA.

Eh ... and I would like to believe you and the proof - zero point zero ...

To be honest, your posts on the forum have been bothering me for a long time with their peremptory character, but I am a thorough girl, so as not to miss anything important, I decided to go through your posts from the moment I appeared on the forum.

And what ... not a single photo of your bread baked in the oven to which you sing praises, there is no

Sorry, but now I have to perceive your posts as a publicity stunt.

[Zest]

Zest In general, the posts of this comrade look more like the work of BOTA, and not a person, this is how the Internet works

The Wrong About Delfa's Permanent Underkits!
We shipped hundreds of them and NONE of the
has come!
Conclusion-or do not lie, or do not believe!
She bakes everything just super. And also the Orions, which all ours, who have not already got Delphi, bought. Nobody complains. All 13 progs work well.

[Suslya]

The Wrong About Delfa's Permanent Underkits!
We shipped hundreds of them and NONE of the
has come!
Conclusion-or do not lie, or do not believe!
She bakes everything just super. And also the Orions, which all of ours, who did not get Delphi, bought. Nobody complains. All 13 progs work well.

I have to believe just in case) here the claim is not to the company, but to a specific store, maybe they sell stoves after warranty repairs for this and the incomplete set hto knows them, I don't care, but I will not order from Lviv anyway. And Delfa and my glass electric kettle are completely satisfied with it.

Suslya thanks for the tip! it's still good that dex has a 2-year warranty, for that money if it breaks after 2 years, then you can buy a new one more abruptly, the only heating function there seems to be no, I don't know it's bad or it doesn't need nafik

While I was "studying the question" - I was interested in VR bread makers of these models (they seem to differ only in design slightly):



The characteristics, judging by the description, are quite decent, the price is more than.

Has anyone had any experience with this technique, can you say something about such devices?

SoNya 68, you had Delfa 938, and now Delfa 104708 and, as I understand, she can also bake bread of a larger size. Have you replaced the small HP with another model or HOW?

[at SoNya 68,]

Yes Yes, at SoNya 68, now another model of Delphi, which bakes a LARGE-sized loaf of bread - there are finally more bells and whistles (3 types of dough) - I hope SoNya 68, forgive me for getting in I want to receive notifications from Temko SoNya 68, let her write to you in detail.

LiudmiLka IRR girls thank you for your attention !!!
Yes, I bought a new model of Delfochka in my warehouse at the first appearance. It is no larger than my 938 in size, but it is designed for a maximum of 1800, it bakes (running ahead) perfectly !! The shape is oddly good, of an immense size.And the weight takes due to the deeper location of the bucket - the bread rises higher. Kneads super! Only such a lazy sausage, cool! Putting them at the same time, the difference in work is specific. No, my baby is smart, just this one is different. Firstly, there is heating, at the beginning and in some recipes, in the process. Yes, in my opinion, everywhere in yeast. The modes are:
Usual
French
Wholegrain
Baking
Cake
Fresh
Ultrafast
Dough
Pasta (a kind of dough, in my opinion it is good for pizza)
Shortcrust pastry
Jam
Baking
There is an additive signal, full reflection of the work (current) on the display, 4 types of crust
Yesterday, rye baked on the usual one - it took 40 minutes. turn off and switch to baking before baking. He came up so hot that he was going to get out. There is also a timer. The yeast stock is 2 times less, or even 3 times, if I add sourdough. I would like to further reduce their number. It's just hard to disperse rye. All programs are detailed in the instructions, how much. I liked it very much, by the way Irusya, the stirrers remain in the bucket!
What else did I notice - before that the roof did not fall off, it was necessary to knead the bun a little steeper. Now I make it much softer and the dome is good. The depth of planting of the bucket is not afraid of the draft, the roof closes more tightly.

[SoNya 68]

By the way, Irusya, the mixers are already in the bucket!

SoNya 68if I understood correctly - the stove is no larger than our first Delphi, and the shape of the bucket is different - brick and deeper?

Yes. The brick is lengthened and more neat. And sits on the pulleys deeper in the stove itself. There is a window, 2 stirrers. The most important power is more-850 watts. In general, the programs are more pronounced. I have been looking for a long time why she was licked off-a painfully strong development for just the Chinese-found Tefal 5001. I never even saw them, maybe they were not for our market. Only ours is made of stainless steel, if you grab your hands, traces remain. Heavy, heavier than the baby. Although the dimensions are almost the same. The build is better. Although you know, I never complained about the baby, I immediately fell in love with her.

[SoNya 68]

SoNya 68 Praising HP "Delfa" do not forget to indicate that this is a brand of the Foxtrot trade network
And they are sold ONLY in Ukraine, so as not to mislead members of the forum

I am not praising Delphi. Any NON-BRANDS are discussed here. This is the first thing. Secondly, somewhere there is a topic about OBM manufacturers. Delfa is the same firm, Alaska, Liberton and a bunch of others are like it. The conversation is about a new one, I wrote, a semblance of which it is. For your information, I have not met such Tefals on Ukrainian sites. That is why I made the assumption that they were not going to our market. I would gladly praise Panasonic, but unfortunately I have it only as expensive non-kukhony devices. Therefore, what we have ...

[SoNya 68]

SoNya 68, you had Delfa 938, and now Delfa 104708 and, as I understand, she can also bake bread of a larger size. Have you replaced the small HP with another model or HOW?

SoNya 68, and you Delfa 104708 at what price did you buy?

In Kiev now there is DELFA DB-104708 for 611 UAH.
you can also read about the DELFA trademark.

We have a discount for our own, as probably everywhere else. I mean the employees of the company. And in the Internet store it is - 611 UAH. This is a very good price for her. Bread 900 gr, 1250 gr. and 1800 gr.
Kneads well, that's what matters. And so funny with the arrangement. The first 5 minutes of kneading, then 5 minutes of rest, then an intensive kneading of 20 minutes. After the second batch, after the first 40 minutes of proofing with rye, I turn it off and just let it come up.

So I am about the same! It's just that when the problem of choosing HP arose, I talked with my service workers, they know WHAT most often gets to be repaired.

SoNya 68, congratulations on purchasing the new HP. Such sizes of loaves !!! 4 types of crust (and what about the 4th)? There is a separate shortbread dough, I wonder how she kneads it, probably very quickly? And pasta is dough for noodles, dumplings, dumplings - class, I don't have that. That's just not clear: the programs are cake and bland. I have a cupcake - unleavened dough, and how do you have a cake and unleavened dough?

So now you have two of them.Couldn't "pass by"? I understand you very much. As the saying goes, appetite comes with eating. I bought myself a HP VS-421 with 10 programs, but I wanted 422, but next to my house it was not for sale, I was too lazy to go to other stores. If you say that I'm just happy with my HP, that's to say nothing. BUT, one of these days I “felt” the 422nd, and when I looked that there was programming and a program for making desserts “Dessert”, I just got sick. Although I am not going to bake rye bread, I don’t know what sweet desserts are in KhP (this is with the “Cake” programs - baking with soda and p / powder and “Sweet” - sweet yeast baked goods, plus some desserts). Perhaps a soufflé or something like that? Maybe who knows. They wrote on the forum that there are HPs that make butter, yogurt, if I'm not mistaken.
sazalexter, in Moldova they also sell Delfa 938 in the Foxtrot network, but it has risen in price here, and given that the price of Orion OBM-204 has dropped, they are now practically at the same price.

[LiudmiLka]

Several pages in this thread are devoted to DELPHE, it's time to create a separate thread here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=41.0 And questions where to buy, where is cheaper, etc. discuss in relevant regional topics https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=39.0
LiudmiLka I am very glad they are selling!

sazalexter, you still need to get to the regional topics, but here the information is necessary, as if by the way - maybe someone will come in handy. And, in my opinion, everything on the topic is non-brand HP.

Probably because it is being discussed because people are interested! Is it bad? Is it bad that there are good models available for the price ??
As for the programs, I don't know, I have not tried it yet. To be honest, I have not tried baking cakes in the oven yet. And my daughter makes cupcakes in the oven. Need to try

VChera made ORION's return to the store. This HP has lived with me since November. I didn't realize right away, but she was already married (French bread didn't work out either way), and then gradually all programs began to refuse. After the warranty repair, I began to burn out the crust ... Now I'm thinking about a more expensive one. Maybe Panas will be, I think for now ... But as a training session, it's okay if you are ready to spend your nerves on garment repairs and store returns. But it is better to immediately take it abruptly, and not bathe, and exercise for 5 years)))
P. S. in the service said that inexpensive models break more often

Suvorov, and you have never read about defective stoves of cool brands? ha ha ha

Of course, Tsiganka, I read it))) I just read it. With the abundance of technology of various "cool" brands I have, only non-branded HP broke down. For which we are eaten by my husband (((. Everything else has been working, or rather it has been plowing for a very long time. You see, I decided to update the "vehicle fleet"))) I started with HP. The argument is still all Chinese. So I bought Orion.

Let's just say you are just out of luck, any technique can break down like that. The Orions received mostly good reviews.

It's true. And you're really out of luck. I have since December, only Delphi. We bake every day, now she is with my mother-in-law, and for myself I took Delphi again, only with a large bucket.
And as for the expensive ones, buy the final psychological factor has not yet been canceled.

[Delfa DB 1047008]

Hello dear bakers,
with your permission, I will wedge into the discussions, the fact is that I also have my non-branded Daewoo-9154 stove for half a year, the term may not be long, but it plows 3-4 times a week and I am very happy that I did not give in to my husband's persuasions and did not take more expensive in due time (he offered Kenwood 450).
My parents also fired up on the bread maker, there is only one thing, dad will bake, and he has two main conditions - a stainless steel case and a bucket of at least 1600g so that more dough can be kneaded (they have a large family - six adults), yes also the granddaughter is on vacation, and these are pies and pizzas, it's just hard for dad to knead so much dough with his hands.
Delfa DB 1047008 in my opinion, it fits perfectly with these criteria.

And I have a question for the residents of Ukraine, tell me please, can anyone know if you have any online store or company who can send a Delfa stove to Russia, I really caught fire on such a model as that of SoNya 68, which bakes 1800 gr.

DELFA products are equipment for the Foxtrot and Foxmart chain stores and online stores of the same network.That is, it is a retail chain independently in China that orders equipment from factories and it directly goes to the customer's stores. So, a similar technique (in appearance and quality) can be sold under any other name in Russia. Try searching by image identification.

[Suvorov]

Suvorov, Thank you so much
I also already realized that if you send it, the delivery will probably be very expensive.
I will try to search in our market

As far as I know, this network already exists in Russia. And the appearance of my second Delphi is one to one like Tefal5002 or 5004. Girls, I don't remember exactly. We also bake every other day, but the son from the army will come home, again every day we will!

[Suvorov]

Suvorov thank you for the hint
I searched the Internet, according to your advice, I selected by external similarity (by image identification) and as they say, whoever is looking will always find
Found a beauty in Moscow with home delivery, stove Erisson BM-250 one to one as Delfa DB 1047008 , the only thing there on the site says that the maximum baking is 1500g, but for my oven it was also written on the site that 1350g, and in the instructions I read that it was designed for 1450g, so maybe with this one, but in any case, the bucket is not small, I think that's enough for the test.
I am satisfied, tomorrow I will pay and order delivery to the apartment - I will make my present.
Suvorov thanks again for the advice.
But these little sister stoves