Maybe you shouldn't overpay for brands?

veranikalenanika, so in your Erisson, it seems, you can also change the programs (you can increase the time on some programs).
Unsubscribe, pzhsta, how did you like it or not? I look at these stoves myself ...

[SoNya 68]

Girls, let me break in with info. Yesterday I accidentally ran through the last messages, but there was no time to write. I am writing today. I am with SoNya 68 I have been friends with stoves for a long time, since September last year. Lyudochka and I met when she and I had the first Delfa (small), then together we fought off attacks - like Panas is a Forever, everything else is dregs. Then this Delfa, finally, few people knew, I took it in Foxtrot in my city for 40 bucks exactly. I decided that if the hands are crooked, the stove for 200 bucks will not save, And so, although it will not be a pity throw out donate, hide in the mezzanine, etc. But it turned out and even became interesting. I learned from it, thanks to Romin's treatise on the kolobok, and decided to move on, change the stove to a larger volume. So that a lot of dough comes out, and then bake in the oven. I was also looking for the shape of a store loaf (rectangle) - it seems like how it is convenient for me to cut it so Mom gave her first stove on March 8 and ordered the second Delphi at 5-0k, like SoNya 68... But in this store, some sluggish managers turned out to be - in general, they forgot about me and I ended up without a stove for Easter. I was mortally offended by them and decided to look for another point in parallel. And then I found such a stove 🔗

[Allegra]

Allegra, I will definitely unsubscribe
Today I made an order, so I was told in int. store that the time in the process can even be changed.
In general, who took these stoves from them - there were no returns, no one complained. The girl manager jokingly said that they were worn out with the mulines, they were afraid to sell, and these were like tfu-tfu.
I live in another city, and my parents are in Moscow, so I will pay for the stove for them through the bank, as the money comes to the delivery department - the courier will take mine to my apartment. And I myself will see the stove only at the end of August, maybe.
Allegra, and if you look closely at this stove, take it, at least it is very attractive in terms of functions, and also at a price (it cost me 3350 rubles with delivery), but what the sellers praise, I don't think they are cunning As I learned with returns, dealing is not very attractive either.

[veranikalenanika]

veranikalenanika, yes, I choose everything between the errison 160 and 170 models, in appearance - one to one, it seems they differ only in the volume of baking (in the 160th - a maximum of 1250 g, in the 170th - 1 kg), and the delay in launching (in 160- 1st - 12 hours, and in the 170th - 13 hours), well, the price, of course, 170 is more expensive. Only I can't find anywhere - how many blades are in the 160th model, but in the 170th it seems - 2 pieces.
And also, can someone tell you a thread - which is better than 1 scapula or 2?

I had both with one scapula and with 2. With 2, the kneading is faster and more powerful. But in the bread, 2 holes are formed instead of one. And it is harder to knock him out. If this is not critical for you, take with two. But in such a long mold, where there are 2 mixers - excellent rolls are obtained on the baking prog. And most often there is no kolobok there when kneading, but there is such a sausage. Well, if you have experience, then you will figure it out quickly

[IRR]

IRR, no, there is no experience in baking at all: red: That's why I've been "hanging out" here for a long time, I'm studying everything ...
More about Errison: I am personally attracted that there is a separate program "Dough for noodles" - in my family they love pasta and, I think, the stove has enough power to knead it - 850 W, and also - the more power, the more likely makes less noise, right?

[Allegra!]

Allegra!

I have a question for your post.
- how many eaters are there in your family? or no, not so ... do you like bread in your family?
- what are your priorities - baking bread or making dough for noodles, etc.? Or 50-50?

[IRR]

IRR, eaters 2.5 (2 adults and one Rebzya) - everyone loves bread, even I, despite the diet, well, and all kinds of pasta rolls (we constantly buy, although they are tasty, but as I read the composition on the label, it immediately gets worse). I choose a c / n so that I bake bread (mostly whole grain with yeast and sourdough, rye, with all sorts of additives, seeds), knead sweet pastries and dough for noodles and make yeast dough.
So I think that 1250 g of bread will definitely be a lot for us, and 750 g will be fine - I will bake 2-3 times a week, BUT in a large bucket, you can probably knead a larger portion of dough - for example, 1 kg at a time - for us the most it will be on dumplings, for example (in general, 1 kg at a time is it possible to knead in cotton?).

These are the thoughts ... I already broke my head with this choice.

It is worth knowing that the more products are put into the cotton in volume, the more difficult it is to mix in quality, and the more difficult it is to separate.

It is better to make two batches, optimal for homemade cotton 350-500 grams of flour.

The same goes for dumplings.

[Allegra]

Allegra ,
I think that the larger the bucket, the better, it's like with a slow cooker, for example, if you take a small one, then you can't cook a large dish, or the same biscuit, but in a large one you can have at least a small portion, at least a large one.
As for what to take with one stirrer or with two, I also think that it is better with two, because I have experience with this and that, my first stove was with one Swedish stirrer brought from abroad Melissa, very solid, powerful, but not always stirring from the first call, I had to interrupt the program and again, and my new Daewoo mixes it with two stirrers almost immediately without problems and the bun comes out lovely (if the sausage means little flour), I will bake bread today I will take a picture for you in the process and show the kolobochik. And as for the fact that it’s problematic to pull the bread out of the bucket later, I don’t know, I don’t have such problems at all, I take it out, stand on the table for five minutes and then easily pops out.
If you pour oil on the pins before baking, then the stirrers remain in the loaf and pop out of the bucket with it, and if you do not lubricate, but simply add butter to the dough, then the loaf comes out without stirrers, they remain on the pins. Small holes from them - I'll show you a photo.
In addition, no one forces you to bake bread of this size, it can be smaller, for example, with the maximum volume of a bucket for 1400g, the recipes in the book are given for bread with loaves of 550g, 1000g, 1200g and 1400g - the choice is not limited.
My stove also has a capacity of 815W, but I haven't made dough for noodles and dumplings yet,
I'm afraid, but as I would like.
She kneads rye normally, I bake twice a month, maybe they don't eat mine, then just for myself a small "loaf" for 1000g.

[Allegra!]

Allegra! Especially IMHO... If you do not need a large loaf of bread at the exit, then it is better not to bother with a large oven with 2 stirrers. I was the first one like this


The budget option - I wrote above. I learned from it. Bread weight 750, 900 gr. It is not necessary to have prog pasta to knead dumplings. You can also knead in the yeast program, just work out the kneading and turn it off. The rise is unnecessary here. Here's a topic for dumplings dough, go, read, ask a question - collective mind - vesch she's a bitch There are a lot of such analog stoves now, it is not necessary to search by name, search by "face". They bake equally well. Here's to you Rotex 52 cu e.
Liberton $ 57 Binatons, Zelmery, they are now, thank God, darkness, darkness. The dumplings are kneaded in a bread maker quickly enough and it won't take long to make 2 kneads in a row. Well, if you really need a lot. And in a large oven such as Erisson and Delfa, there you need to knead the bun for at least 900g. Otherwise, the roof may be light due to the low planting of the bread. Yes, and eating one large loaf of bread for a long time is not interesting. Better stir up fresh

[Allegra]

Allegra ,
I think that the larger the bucket, the better the stove, it's like with a multicooker, for example, if you take a small one, then you can't cook any big dish,

not at all sure.

Oh, girls, thanks a lot to everyone for the answers!
I know about analog models ... the Internet is already wiped out to the holes, I have already re-furred almost all the shops in my city, of course, there is a choice, but not the same as in Moscow, for example, and our prices are higher.
And then I got to the bottom of the fact that the above analog models with a capacity of 600 and 12 standard programs are, damn it, more expensive than other models (not yet fully promoted), but with a capacity of 850, 10 programs and 2 blades (like Errison , eg).
Now I think, maybe well, her nafig, this power (I thought that the more powerful the x / n, the quieter it works and is more suitable for noodle dough)? Moreover, it probably eats more electricity? And Admin says that the dough should be kneaded in smaller portions ...

In short, brains are peddling again

[IRR]

Otherwise, the roof may be light due to the low planting of the bread.

Well, I don’t know, it seems to be normal, today I’ll try a new French recipe and put it on 1000g - I’ll show the pictures - we’ll see everything.

Yes, and eating one large loaf of bread for a long time is not interesting. Better stir up fresh

IRR , I absolutely agree with you, I think so too, though I haven't gotten used to it myself, I make it my own for 1000gr, - the next evening it's gone - they took me and my husband to work, my daughter to school, etc., and if for 1400gr - maybe stay - I make crackers.
Allegra As for the energy, there is little difference at the output. My kettle shakes more.

[veranikalenanika]

Allegra! If such is the case with prices, take, indeed, like veranikalenanika... A good review would mean a lot, if only a photo of breads You can tell a lot from the photos. You,veranikalenanika, although she is a DEO, but her brain and face are licked off from Kenwood (right now I went and looked), and the price of the issue, if not a secret And a photo, a photo (I chant). It's terribly curious to look at bread.

[IRR]

IRR , thanks for the compliment to my stove.
I already wrote that at first my husband knocked me down on Kenwood, - he also liked the design, but I very fiercely resisted, because there is less and one bucket in Kenwood, and after my first one I just wanted to take a stove with a large bucket so that I could sweep more dough at a time. I divide it into koloboks and freeze it, and then if the guests or according to their mood - I defrosted one, here is pizza or pies, plus there are two additional buckets in it - with small neat bricks, I dreamed that I would sing rye in them with additives exactly like the store-bought Bourget bread - the only rye that I eat and which we had to buy at 38 rubles per loaf.
“Bourget” has not yet got used to homemade bread, and I don’t have an exact recipe, - it seems, my husband even ate, but in my opinion something is not right, I think there may not be enough additives, - I’m not going to buy everything.
Well, for the money Kenwood-450 (which he liked at first) in our int. the store where we usually take equipment (without fear) cost more than 6500 rubles, and mine cost us 4650 rubles (with delivery), then sometimes we have ads on our website for Daewoo at 3700 rubles (plus they have 300 rubles for delivery), so this is my tactical move, it cost so much maybe a year and a half ago, but in January, when I took mine, they constantly offered me something else, it was written on the site that the stove was made to order, they were fed breakfast, and then I just apparently tortured them, they called suppliers and said that this model will no longer be imported to Russia.
Here I was terribly scared, spat on the savings and ordered mine for 700 rubles more expensive, but I managed to, maybe I took the penultimate one in another store. I was in a hurry
There is only one photo of bread on another site, I can't have links.
I am NOW.

A link is possible, but not a direct one. I mean, just copy the address from that page and stupidly paste it into your message. And also, if you can, insert the place of residence into the profile - it's easier to navigate. Including at prices

[table bread with apple by Qween]

Baked the other day table bread with apple by Qween, I really didn't have time to insert the pictures, so I'll show you here. I counted it 2 times, it came out that's what a handsome man.
And delicious. If you haven't tried this recipe, I highly recommend it.

And really handsome man And they counted 2 times, this is how much you have it?

[IRR]

IRR , thank you very much - we tried with the stove.
And I counted just focusing on approximately the amount of liquid in the original recipe, at first I thought about the difference in money from buying a bread machine for myself to buy a scale and a blender, but I still took the blender, and all my hands do not reach the scales (I have the usual ones with 100g step), I bake this way, in my opinion it's not critical, I have a large bucket, the stove is not capricious, plus a window - if I see that the dough has risen to the brim, I interrupt the proofing, turn on the baking and go.
And this bread turned out to be really big (maybe because of raw yeast and an apple), but it went up just super - almost for the whole bucket.

[veranikalenanika]

veranikalenanika, well done you with a stove, what a handsome man you baked! Congratulations!
You know, now I remembered how I read the forum and was afraid to register, it was necessary to write what kind of stove I have, and I have the cheapest one. And then it turned out that everything is not so bad and my stove is doing very well. By the way, it looks like yours.

[SoNya 68]

SoNya 68, Thank you! I'm interested in my brother's wife, my LG completely suits me, only they have become expensive now.

In Odessa, in the online store 5 OK, this stove cost 434 hryvnia today

[UAH 298]

In Odessa, in the online store 5 OK, this stove cost 434 hryvnia today

And today there

Bread Maker DELFA DBM 938 UAH 298 !!!
Bread maker DELFA DB-104708 434 UAH

[UAH 298]

And today there

Bread Maker DELFA DBM 938 UAH 298 !!!

Yes, I believe, this is my first stove - I took it for 320 grams in Foxtrot. Excellent! With a window, all the programs. The roof is super, not pale! This Foxtrot throws up such promotional prices, it was initially promoted - it cost almost 200 grams. (Delfa is Foxtrot's domestic brand, like Elenberg in Eldorado and Comfort in Metro)

434 g 🔗

, and this one from me now - took in 5ok for 510 gr. For 2 mixers and a form - a loaf. As a dough mixer, it's gorgeous, you can load up to 1.5 kg of dough. In one fell swoop.

Exactly !!!!! I mainly bake 1.5-1.7 kg. We have enough for 2-3 days. Doesn't get stale. And rye bakes, nothing to do. By the way, when you choose the color of the crust Intensive, you get a shortened program, it really surprised me. But I tried everything, great! Especially when you consider that forgetting that you need to put more yeast on the shortened yeast. Happened

Exactly !!!!! I mainly bake 1.5-1.7 kg. We have enough for 2-3 days. Doesn't get stale. And rye bakes, nothing to do. By the way, when you choose the color of the crust Intensive, you get a shortened program - it really surprised me. But I tried everything, great! Especially when you consider that forgetting that you need to put more yeast on the shortened yeast. Happened

SoNya 68, I have a suggestion for you: let's really open the topic on Delphi, because the instructions are weak and there are a lot of questions and you need to consult. For example, last night I tested the Delphi-big bought for my parents. Kneaded according to the French recipe. The recipe says about 5 cups of flour for 1350g of bread, and a cup for 300ml (by the way, like a baguette Moulinex). I poured. But it turns out that a full cup of Delphi counts as 1.5 cups? I examined this graduation on the glass later. I had to add water during the batch. It even seemed to me that the engine began to warm up in the front left corner of the bread machine. Does yours get so hot when kneading?
Therefore, you really need your tested recipes, you don't want to translate recipes from completely dissimilar bread makers. I need to give my parents fully tested recipes so that they are not disappointed. I have an LV-205 myself, there is a glass of 240 and sizes 450-680-900.
How do you view the proposal to open a topic on Delphi? Do you think you have enough experience to share?

And I forgot to add: I saw Temka https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ask=view&id=165&Itemid=30 testing Moulinex baguette.

So this Moulinex is one to one like our Delfa !!! The bucket, the scoops of the glass, the hook and the program completely match, except for baguettes of course

So this Moulinex is one to one like our Delfa !!! Completely matches the bucket, glass scoops, hook and programs

Why be surprised? They are made in one plant with only Chinese hands. And also our big Delfa was licked off with some Tefali, SoNya 68 wrote about this. (I already forgot which one, but there are girls in this topic, above)

Yes, Irochka, true, with Tefali 5002. True, I have not seen her in the warehouse yet, most likely they go to other channels, so there are always similar models in the assortment, but different deliveries on different lines.
As for the topic, I don't even know, I use all the recipes discussed here. And with rye in general, a lot of experiments. But most of all I like Narochansky bread. About the glasses. Indeed, in the little 938 recipes are based on weight. And in this one there are glasses. But at the time of buying this one, I no longer used any scales or glasses. I measure only liquid-water milk or whey. Well, according to the recipe for bread with semolina, I pour 4-5 tbsp of loaf on my 1500 g loaf. spoons of semolina. Purely for myself, salt was determined - two-thirds of Art. l. measured, I do not put sugar at all in any recipe except rye. Yeast-Pakmaya, those in blue foil bags, are also one incomplete (not to the brim) teaspoon. I am probably the wrong consumer. But I do not consider HP as an airplane and experiment with my heart!
And here's another thing, my husband does not tolerate when HP kneads strainedly, he says there should be a more elastic dough. He says it doesn't look like a breast))))))))))))) Remember, from the rules of the kolobok, the comparison with a woman's breast? And all the time he pours me a couple of tablespoons of milk or kefir. it's useless to drive, so the roof sinks a bit. But the quality is not reflected, the bread is very tasty. From subjective sensations, a large stove kneads the dough with better quality. The threads are noticeably formed. Bread does not stale for a very long time, and does not mold, unlike store bread. This was done as an experiment. And it does not give to the old ones even after 2 weeks of storage. Well, this probably does not refer to the oven, but in general to homemade quality bread. Fries the crust very evenly.

[Erisson BM-250]

Girls
Don't know how about Tefal 5002, but Erisson BM-250 which I took to my parents, I showed myself very well. : bravo: Now I spoke with my mother on the phone, she praises the stove, my father bakes according to recipes from the site - I sent them a printout and after all, without punctures, not a single bread has yet flown into the basket. Considering that Delfa104708 and Erisson BM-250 just twins, I think yours too Delfa104708 makes you happy too.

[veranikalenanika]

veranikalenanika, normal stove, good. Pleases-pleases !

[IRR]

IRR
Here is our Erisson BM-250 as it turned out just a find, now I'm thinking who else would give this,: cake: the price is It is a sin not to take advantage of such an offer. I wanted to give my mother-in-law, but she categorically recognizes only branded models,
She really liked (externally) the new Baguette Mule (black) But I know that Mula
Here's how to dissuade her. And the main criterion for her is the price, - The more expensive the more desirable, but my hand simply does not rise to take her (I want to make a gift) this Mulka, - then it will be a shame to look into her eyes if anything.

I wanted to give my mother-in-law, but she categorically recognizes only branded models:

Yeah ... with these relatives on the line of her husband, it’s straight trouble ... I, too, gave my mommy Delph the first little one and only told about the bun - no even printouts and everything is at the highest level! not a single failure

Yes, noooo My mother-in-law I love her very much We are with her
Therefore, I am suffering now in doubts so much, because I want to serve for a long time and be of good quality
And if I didn't love, or we wouldn't
I would buy her this Mulka and not bathe

At our work, whoever bought the Skis won nothing, absolutely. And nobody bakes. And we on Delphi and Orions bake constantly. They brought us ice cream makers. Tefal, Kenwood and Daewoo. We reviewed everything, Daewoo is the most concise and cool in terms of accuracy, stability and execution. And her loading is better and the price is just a fairy tale. And also, after all, not a brand. And there are always problems with Skis. Who knows why.I don't recognize this company at all. The monitor is true, but that's all. Nothing more.

[SoNya 68]

We reviewed everything, Daewoo is the most concise and cool in terms of accuracy, stability and execution. And her loading is better and the price is just a fairy tale.

They have the same stove
SoNya 68
It's the same with my friends - four have stoves, I have my DEU (the cheapest), one Moulinex (in a state of permanent repair), two other Panasonic. None of these three bakes. For various reasons, the ovens simply either stand or only for the dough, but they complain that the volume is small (you cannot knead a lot at a time). But my - "all in the works like a bee." : kolobok: We supply all our gatherings with our bread. Now everyone wants a DEU like mine, but maybe they are not, I say, - take Erisson BM-250 worthy replacement. So they Nooo - we would have branded. Well, and how to understand such - their life seems to teach nothing.
But I didn't know about the DEU ice cream makers, thanks for the info. I will look, maybe they will bring them to us - I would not miss it.

[LG,]

... And there are always problems with Skis. Who knows why. I don’t recognize this company at all. The monitor is true, but that's all. Nothing more.

And I have a refrigerator LG, healthy, 2-chamber, which is noufrost. And I did Schaub without him, for about 5 years already. ... IMHO - lucky! t. t. t.

No, Irusya, chills, TV and conductors are good! I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about telephones, stoves, and other small things. And their chills are really cool - we have already reviewed them SO MUCH - you will not dream in a dream! And the ice cream makers for the first time brought them - we ordered them for all the female camp and ordered ourselves at once! They just haven't picked it up yet, we have everything on schedule. And the stoves are not branded, they are like country aunts, accustomed to work, ruddy, lush, they can do everything. And brands are cool, like young ladies, gentle, intelligent, loving to reason. And work is not for them, nooooo.

[SoNya 68]

And the stoves are not branded, they are like country aunts, accustomed to work, ruddy, lush, they can do everything. And brands are cool, like young ladies, gentle, intelligent, loving to reason. And work is not for them, nooooo.

SoNya 68
Well, you have to be able to say that, you, as always, are at your best - in one phrase and to the point.

[SoNya 68]

... And the stoves are not branded, they are like country aunts, accustomed to work, ruddy, lush, they can do everything. And brands are cool, like young ladies, gentle, intelligent, loving to reason. And work is not for them, nooooo.

SoNya 68
Well, you have to be able to say that, you, as always, are at your best - in one phrase and to the point.

SoNya 68, Lud! Wo said cool! I directly introduced these village aunts

And today I saw them right before my eyes when I looked at the new Philips))))))))) And there was no time to look into Electrolux - there was no time. They brought a whole line - and utogs, and stoves, and teapots and coffee makers ...

And what is the new Philips -? how does it look? I saw the current picture and something, I remember, was not impressed.

And the stoves are not branded, they are like country aunts, accustomed to work, ruddy, lush, all able. And brands are cool, like young ladies, gentle, intelligent, loving to reason. And work is not for them, nooooo.

Please read the HP reliability statistics https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=2899.0
Maybe it's worth adding your HP to the statistics and unsubscribing in the topic in a year (after the warranty expires)
And about the brand ... here on the forum there are HP that have worked for more than 5 years !!!
And still working "as a waste"

My Kenya did not last a month for a year, the shaft flew, somehow repaired, but not for long, the bucket flows again, you have to fill up the flour first, and then water

[sazalexter]

Please read the HP reliability statistics https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2899.0
Maybe it's worth adding your HP to the statistics and unsubscribing in the topic in a year (after the warranty expires)
And about the brand ... here on the forum there are HP that have worked for more than 5 years !!!
And still working "as a waste"

sazalexter, your reverent attitude towards brands is well known to us. Let us calmly talk about our non-branded ones.We have already made our choice and the year of warranty has passed.

sazalexter I will inject you now in serts))))))))))))
As recently as today, on the night shift, new Orions received - I, as an already recognized PR specialist of the need and need for HP - at the moment I passed through the entrance of the NEW. The oven is super! For a maximum of 1 kg. But that's not the point, she's with the DISPENSER !!!!! And with all Panas's programs, up to gluten-free and rye !!!!! And the price at the entrance is ridiculous, let's see what happens at the exit. Model 24W.
And Panasiki are from the last import, not really that the people want expensive HP. The size of the loaf and the time is an important nuance.
Philips is new for 2 stirrers, the lid closes very tightly - I liked it. Although I never really cared. It just caught my eye against the background of Mulek. Inside, like Orion 206 or the big Delphi.
In general, I look at 2 x stirring ovens. They knead well, it's true. And Dklfu brought 938-again, the action will probably be-the shops are taking HUNDREDS!
Yes - even the new Orion has an additional cake pan. It turns out like Tefal4002-with 2 forms. And Phillips has a baguette holder. In a pile, you can't pull it on your head, everything is in a heap! Well, forgive me, I have already 2 weeks WITHOUT days off, I am very tired ... And another new Orion, those little ones, I really did not watch them. But the first-got-killed-they are programmable, and the bucket-as usual-is powerful.
And Panasiki is super! I love this brand in the form of good photos and videos and TV.

[Moulinex]

And about the brand ... here on the forum there are HP that have worked for more than 5 years !!!
And still working "as a waste"

Yes Yes, - Moulinex eg

[SoNya 68]

And the price at the entrance is ridiculous, let's see what happens at the exit. Model 24W.

So far 555 UAH. For 5 approx ..
SoNya 68
And why is this stove more interesting than the big Delphi?

[SoNya 68]

Lena! With us SoNya 68 these are the first stoves - we learned from them. And at the beginning they cost almost 240 gr. Lyuda and I are just watching them now. And they, Delphi 938 - they are no better and no worse than Big Delphi - they are just different, but very good for their class - single-stirring stoves.

Girls! Here's what I came up with - here we can spread the thought along the tree, that we have good stoves, for a very long time. And let's insert pictures of our breads - and then this will be the best proof for inexpensive analog ovens.

Yes Yes, - Moulinex eg

And some will rest on the sidelines. No, well, really? Let's give the people a chance to figure it out, for those who want it. (I'll throw off mine in the evening - everything is mine in another computer)

[SoNya 68]

SoNya 68 Complaints went to Phillips https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=72153.new#new
It's good if the Orions don't have the same. I hope your company has a well-established system for accepting returns and the service does not eat its bread in vain.
With Delfa, everything is clear, the service is carried out by the seller himself, but what about the Orions? And you can't find Delphi in Russia as well as Orions. I certainly did not see Peter in stores, if only via the Internet
PS: good sales and a big bonus based on the results