Maybe you shouldn't overpay for brands?

I wanted to ask about the Saturn ST-EC0127 bread maker. Bribes the price, two years of warranty, the ability to choose the weight - 500, 750 and 1000.

I have this brand of pressure cooker. Very happy. Although it is the saucepan that raises suspicions about the thinness of the non-stick coating, although the same coating is found in Mulinex bread makers.
But I am looking after HP for Orion - 27, by the way, again a clone of Moulinex and Delonga, but for less money. I have a lot of kitchen equipment from this particular budget company and am very satisfied. And since all the Orionites have been living in my kitchen for more than 3 years, they work and have no complaints, then I will tend to HP and this company.

The whole problem of nouns is that they are not produced at one plant under the same brand, but are purchased at different factories, respectively, there is no connection between the quality of different devices under the same name. If the HP model was purchased in China is successful, this does not mean that a cartoon or a combine under the same name will be as wonderful.
Well-known brands at least control the quality in production and the demand for functionality among consumers, although of course there are many pitfalls, which were already mentioned above.

Here you just need to track reviews and not just on the Internet, but on our forum, I don't believe the rest)))

But I am looking after HP Orion - 27

The fact is that we cannot buy HP from this company, like Delphi. But Saturns are full and in appearance many of them resemble either Delphi or Orions, there is even a Brand with weights, but all at a more affordable price. So I wondered if this is a replacement for the named brands on the Belarusian market.

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But I am looking after HP for Orion - 27, by the way, again a clone of Moulinex and Delonga,

for several years of owning HP, I realized that I had to focus on spare buckets in the service, as in MV for spare wheels from pots. In a bucket under high T, the main damage is just this node of the stirring sleeve (or whatever it is: girl-q: right) it falls out and over time everything leaks down the stoves and tavos, and buckets are not a guarantee element in HP, they are not renovate. Therefore, it is necessary to attend to exactly the complement. buckets. Buy online or at a service center. Not everyone has it - I had a bucket flying to Scarlett - and I can't find it, although the stove baked and kneaded perfectly until recently.
I will again take Delfa 938, it costs 350 and add 180 to the bucket - but what should I do?

So I wondered if this is a replacement for the named brands on the Belarusian market.

Yes. Take it by sight, it is.
By the way, expensive HP buckets fly as fast as budget ones. Better to buy a cheaper stove and not for long than to eat then bread with Teflon from the road.

on the first channel there was a story about technology, and it said that now manufacturers are NOT INTERESTED to produce equipment "for centuries", everything quickly becomes obsolete, production is striding by leaps and bounds, and the manufacturer, even the "brand" one, is more interested in new models than in selling old ones. Therefore, it is more difficult to find spare parts if the equipment breaks down after 2-3 years. It's easier to buy a new product.

and about HP in Belarus - I have BrandOVSKAYA, it has been working for 3 years, there are no complaints and they have services in almost all major cities

I completely agree with the IRR - the cheaper and simpler the stove, the better. My bucket also began to leak. If before that there was an idea to purchase a programmable bread maker, now I will wait for discounts and choose the cheapest one, because it is pointless to throw money away from behind a bucket. Moreover, I mainly use only the dough kneading function.

Girls, can anyone advise me an inexpensive meat grinder. I want to buy for the dacha.
I am not a fan of "brands" (n) and it's easier for me.
Thank you.

Girls, can anyone advise me an inexpensive meat grinder. I want to buy for the dacha.
I am not a fan of "brands" (n) and it's easier for me.
Thank you.

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Therefore, it is necessary to attend to exactly the complement. buckets. Buy online or at a service center. Not everyone has it - I had a bucket flying to Scarlett - and I can't find it, although the stove baked and kneaded perfectly until recently.

So Scarlett was never able to find a spare bucket And we now have a good discount on them, we looked closely at her, only the maximum volume of 750 grams is embarrassing. And now we will know that we cannot even get a bucket ...

I called now the Scarlett service center in our city: ordering a bucket for a cs-400 bread machine is not available, call in a month. So that's it.

I completely agree with the IRR - the cheaper and simpler the stove, the better. My bucket also began to leak. If before that there was an idea to purchase a programmable bread maker, now I will wait for discounts and choose the cheapest one, because it is pointless to throw money away from behind a bucket. Moreover, I mainly use only the dough kneading function.

I completely agree with the IRR - the cheaper and simpler the stove, the better. My bucket also began to leak. If before that there was an idea to purchase a programmable bread maker, now I will wait for discounts and choose the cheapest one, because it is pointless to throw money away from behind a bucket. Moreover, I mainly use only the dough kneading function.

Who knows ... I have an expensive Gorenje 900 AL, it's almost a year old. Then I bought for 1000c with something hryvnia (about 130 bucks).
At first, she baked bread actively, every week. For the last couple of years I have been using it 5-6 times a month. that is, on average, once a week: for kneading dough, and I bake bread 1-2 times a month.

So far nothing has flowed anywhere, everything works fine!
Yes, by the way, this model is produced and sold to this day. That speaks about her popularity and demand even after 3 years.

[gardenia]

gardenia, and what is your pancake maker? I also want to buy an inexpensive one)

Not everyone has it - I had a bucket flying to Scarlett - and I can't find it, although the stove baked and kneaded perfectly until recently.
I will again take Delfa 938, it costs 350 and add 180 to the bucket - but what should I do?

I read somewhere on service forums that a bucket from my Mulinex stove fits into Orion-27. That's what else and grabbed for this model HP. My bucket is still in good condition from Moulinex. By the way, you can buy a bucket for Orion, I met the info. Repairing my brand will cost me the cost of a new budget HP, so I don't think about repairing, but I am thinking about buying a new HP.
Now I'll go for a walk on the topics, read the reviews.

For the last couple of years I have been using it 5-6 times a month. that is, on average, once a week: for kneading dough, and I bake bread 1-2 times a month.

if used in this mode, it will work for another 10 years

[gardenia]

gardenia, and what is your pancake maker? I also want to buy an inexpensive one)

pancake maker, apparently so... You don't have them. Ask Lenochka CurlySue, whose post is higher, she, if possible, sends girls from Russia out of the kindness of her

[CurlySue]

pancake maker, apparently so... You don't have them. Ask Lenochka CurlySue, whose post is higher, she, if possible, sends girls from Russia out of the kindness of her

IRR, thanks for the PR!
So far I have already bought ALL the pancakes in our city (in both Foxtrots) and sent them to 3 hostesses last week.
While they are no longer in Cherkassy.
When there will be a trace. bringing, the girls from Foxtrot cannot say, because they do not form applications, and this is done by a special. manager in Kiev, who monitors sales for all Foxtrots and generates lists for deliveries to each of the chain stores. So the workers of Foxtrot answered me.

[IRR,]

IRR, thanks for the PR!

Yeah
in any case, it is necessary to throw a cry in the topic of pancakes, someone will respond, I have not watched them for a long time.And this pancake maker definitely falls out of this topic, it is not God knows what brand, but many overpay for it almost 2 times. An exception to the rule, IMHO. Standing.

But they don't overpay for her. but for the shipment.
If someone goes to Ukraine himself, or as a train conductor, then a pancake will be much cheaper.

CurlySue, namesake, so who's to blame for not finding a pancake maker for myself

CurlySue, namesake, so who's to blame for not finding a pancake maker for myself

Well, if you have been looking for the last couple of weeks, then YES!

Yes, just the last week I wandered around the Foxtrot. Whistle to me in a personal, please, if pancakes suddenly appear in Cherkasy

Dear, can anyone compare the Scarlett 400 and 401, is it worth paying a little extra for the second one?

No-no-no, programming is a very handy feature. In the same way that I have not used the dispenser, I have never baked with the standard programs. I didn’t have to adjust to the programs proposed by the manufacturer, I introduced my own process and began to bake in KhP. I never have a question with the fact that I need to adjust something somewhere, interrupt there, wait here, etc. The oven is an oven, sometimes it is busy with something else, sometimes it just doesn't want to "fire it ", someone doesn't have it, and so on.

please tell me. I still don't have cupcakes !! ((I tried a lot of recipes, I didn't leave portioning - everything is strict !!! I tried the mode "Sweet bread", "Baking", "Fast bread" - nothing comes out! I changed the flour several times - everything floats - there is no kolobok !!! I will add flour - it is not baked inside and does not rise, if you do not bring the kneading to the kolobok - in general, it turns out porridge inside, but it bakes slightly on the sides !!! What should I do ?? Maybe you shouldn't make cupcakes according to the recipes of girls who have other HP ?? In my recipe book - there is no recipe for a cupcake, yes in some recipes there are typos - like a loaf of 900 gr. - 4 1/2 soda !! This is awful !!

Take recipes for muffins in a x / oven from our site "Cupcakes in a bread machine (collection of recipes)" https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=187.0 and there you can also consult the authors of the recipes on how to properly bake cupcakes

What are you? What can be a bun in a muffin dough? It is slightly thicker in consistency than sour cream.

I was also very surprised, but I thought that I probably didn't understand something.
Cupcake dough and yeast dough are very different types. In ovens where there is no special program, the cake is baked in the Baking / Oven - a program without kneading and raising, and where only baking.
On those modes that you have listed, there is always a proofing mode. It is contraindicated for a cake, because during this time the baking powder "works out", and then nothing rises during baking. And the baking time, judging by the described result, is also not enough.
A loaf of 900 g for a cake - how's that? Total outlet weight?
There are specials in my HP. program. I use it all the time, because it kneads it by itself, heating it up in the process (you can take the oil directly from the refrigerator, everything kneads itself wonderfully). But there is no division by weight - 45 minutes. that's all. I put 55 minutes. for Alexandra's cake https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=187.0 Always a great result!

So Scarlett was never able to find a spare bucket And we now have a good discount on them, we looked closely at her, only the maximum volume of 750 grams is embarrassing. And now we'll know that we can't even get a bucket ...

I called the Scarlett service center in our city now: ordering a bucket for a cs-400 bread machine is not available, call in a month. So that's it.

You can order a bucket on TaobBao. I ordered myself extra. a shovel (I already have it) through the joint venture, so there are buckets and many other spare parts for a variety of ovens. After all, every single brand is collected by the Chinese!
For example, one link where there are different buckets: 🔗
Of course, you need to find a Russian-speaking Tao Bao, measure the main nodes of your bucket and calculate how much it will cost you.But you can buy! At joint ventures (joint purchases) it is easier, the procurement organizers work directly with the Chinese. The bucket itself with an intermediary is about 500 rubles = delivery to your city is about 500-600 rubles / kg (packaging is also included in the weight). But you can buy! At joint ventures (joint purchases) it is easier, the procurement organizers work directly with the Chinese.

By the way, Scarlett sc400 itself is an excellent stove! The first one, where there are 12 programs. Her programs are very good, the updated ones are not like that.

Dear, can anyone compare the Scarlett 400 and 401, is it worth paying a little extra for the second one?

I can answer you. I have two x / ovens Scarlett SC400 and Mystery 1202 (complete coincidence in the programs and in appearance and in the operating time of each program with Scarlett SC401) If you are an unassuming person and you just have bread, you can buy Scarlett 401. All make a clear recipe and then a simple bread will turn out. The fact is that in this device the last time of proofing before baking is very long, 60 minutes (for CK400 40 minutes), which leads to the failure of the bread lid. And the time of the first kneading and proofing for 5 minutes, one long kneading and then 2 for 10 seconds is not enough for real bread. If I need to, then in CK400 I take more water to make it more puffy, and in this one, due to a small overflow of water, the top rises strongly and then falls down when baking. That is, it is not very suitable for all sorts of wisdom. Therefore, I now bake only in Sk400, at least a little, but always an excellent result so that I do not get up in it (with the mind of course)! And how little? Boldly kneads and bakes a bookmark of 350 g of water and 500 g of flour! By the way, this is my second SK400 sold the first and changed 2 more ovens and returned to her again.
I would not buy sc401.
And you yourself can tell the instructions on the scarlet website and read how all modes work in time and compare.

VR BM-4011V 3200 RUB

Bomann CB 593 RUB 1600 there is no instruction in Russian, because of this, such a price


Tell me about these models, can someone say something? Or is it better to take a scarlet 400?

VR BM-4011V 3200

Bomann CB 593 1600 no instructions in Russian
Tell me about these models, can someone say something? Or is it better to take a scarlet 400?

You can read about these models on the Yandex market, I don't know them, but I like the Scarlett 400 of the first sample more as it bakes. VR doesn't have a snooze timer like. That wouldn't suit me.

I read about VR, but I can't find the second one anywhere. Her price is very attractive - 1500 thousand, just because there is no instruction in Russian. Made in Germany.
Write about scarlet in more detail, if it's not difficult, how much do you use, what jambs do you recommend for purchase?

And on the website scarlet there is a table of modes for some reason, only to 400, there is no such table for the rest of the stoves. I searched the entire site in search of it, but did not find it.

I had Bomann (or rather, even have). It broke only after I cooked jam for a whole summer and in the end the syrup leaked and the engine burned out. Before that, she worked safely for 3 years. Within a week I bought the same Orion plan (the same model externally only stainless steel). The broken one was not taken for repair, but the husband did not fix it at work. I bought myself a new bucket and for Easter I have two HP kneading bread at the same time. I have no complaints about Bomann and if it were not for the daily jam, nothing would have happened to her

Thanks for the answer! And what is your model, how long is the program?

Thanks for the answer! And what is your model, how long is the program?

I'm at work now, I'll be at home, I'll see the model (I bought it 5 years ago). I remember that the main one is 3 hours, the dough is 1.30 minutes baking -1 hour of whole grain (on which rye is baked) -3.40 minutes I now have Orion204 there the same programs with the same time.

VR BM-4011V 3200

Tell me about these models, can someone say something? Or is it better to take a scarlet 400?

I bought a VR bread maker for two friends for their birthday. And it turned out that I bought it first - she was satisfied.I decided to buy the second one (cost 2300). What can I say - in Panasonic bread is definitely tastier. Yes, she copes with her main duty, but how to explain that with the same ingredients the bread in my Panasonic turns out to be tastier?
At the moment, the first friend, after three months of using the bread maker, is being repaired (they haven't brought it yet), but I'm worried: was it worth giving such a bread maker ... The second one is doing well - bakes and is happy. Something like that...

I'm at work now, I'll be at home, I'll see the model (I bought it 5 years ago). I remember that the main one is 3 hours, the dough is 1.30 minutes baking -1 hour of whole grain (on which rye is baked) -3.40 minutes I now have Orion204 there the same programs with the same time.

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_content&task=view&id=1024&Itemid=232 I have this model. And as for tasty bread, my husband loads HP more often than me and the children always know what kind of baking daddy is, because that bread tastes better (although they don't see who loads HP) How can this be explained? All too, products, HP, but the result is different. Not to mention two of my friends who have the same oven, but the bread is different in the end. Another friend has an expensive model, and her bread is somehow not very good for me, although I think that there will be some preferences for "mine".

By the way, a bucket that I bought in addition to Orion 204 came up to the old Bomman stove perfectly. So after rewinding the engine, it works again (albeit as a fallback, but with all its functions preserved) the service center was not shown how many expensive models they had in repair, and with the same problems, a bucket was leaking. Whoever noticed in time, he managed to replace the bucket, and who burst like me - they repair the stove

VR BM-4011V 3200 RUB
Bomann CB 593 RUB 1600 there is no instruction in Russian, because of this, such a price

Tell me about these models, can someone say something? Or is it better to take a scarlet 400?

Honestly, I don't see the difference (except for the price 2 TIMES). And so I realized that this model is represented by many companies. And about the instructions, do not worry - everything fits from the Internet only the order of the bookmark - water and everything else in it, flour and yeast on top (dry)

Valentine I looked the same. As her modes in duration, there were punctures in the work, I am especially interested in the functions of the dough (for dumplings, pies), the usual mode, French and baking (time is regulated?).

I choose between her and Scarlet 400. I don't know which one to take. You praise this, and many people praised the scarlet to me.

Write about scarlet in more detail, if it's not difficult, how much do you use, what jambs do you recommend for purchase?

And on the website scarlet there is a table of modes for some reason, only to 400, there is no such table for the rest of the stoves. I searched the entire site in search of it, but did not find it.

There were 3 ovens (there are) Mystery 1202, Supra 240 and Scarlett 400. Of all Scarlett bakes bread best of all - I bake a ready-made bun weighing 900g-1kg. Although announced up to 700g. Mow one - I want a bigger roll, although I bake a big one, but when there are not enough guests.
And the other two have one joint - the programs are not like Scarlett's in terms of time, they have the first kneading and proving for 5 minutes in total. For classic bread, this is not enough, but for those who indulge in it, it is normal. And so all the stoves are normal. Instruction to Scarrlett 401 copy of Mystery 1202 as a one-to-one appearance.
The Scarlett website has all the instructions and for all there are hourly schemes for each program I downloaded there and compared when I chose other ovens.
And now Scarlett 400 new 16 programs on the off-site are marked - I have the one that is the Bestseller.

Valentine I looked the same. As her modes in duration, there were punctures in the work, I am especially interested in the functions of the dough (for dumplings, pies), the usual mode, French and baking (time is regulated?).

I choose between her and Scarlet 400. I don't know which one to take. You praise this, and many people praised the scarlet to me.

Her kneading takes place immediately and not 5 minutes.I constantly make the dough for pizza pies, not ravioli less often (I don’t do anything really cool, I’m somehow sorry I knead and let it lie down). I definitely can't do that with my hands. I bake every day, or even twice. Take a closer look at the dimensions (dimensions) of the stove, some will automatically disappear. I look at more reviews on the scarlet and it is probably easier with service. When I took a choice, there was not much (especially in a real store) before shopping in online stores, I had not yet matured, so I had few options

[BirdWhite]

BirdWhite, I'm looking at her too. About 16 programs I was told not to take, there baking cycles are shortened
valuhka,BirdWhite,svbone Thank you very much !!! How good it is when there are people ready to help !!!!

What can I say - in Panasonic bread is definitely tastier. Yes, she copes with her main duty, but how to explain that with the same ingredients the bread in my Panasonic turns out to be tastier?

I have two ovens = Panasonic and Yunold (a hybrid bread maker + a slow cooker, which is also far from cheap). So in Panasonic bread is definitely better at it.

I have two ovens = Panasonic and Yunold (a hybrid bread maker + a slow cooker, which is also far from cheap). So in Panasonic bread is definitely better at it.

Irina, although I understand that everything is individual, everyone has different tastes. Everyone loves and praises his stove. But another example: a colleague had Bork, broke down, bought Panasonic. He also praises him, says that the bread tastes better in Panasonic. So I agree
P.S. The third girlfriend was presented with Panasonic for the anniversary.

I will say this:
There are brands for which you really shouldn't overpay. There are brands that are really worth the money. There are brands for folding, they say, how cool they are. And you need to "dance" according to your capabilities. Someone has a "Tavria" car (it performs its functions - it drives), someone "Give Bentley", and someone prefers, say, "Opel".

And I'll tell you so - whoever has what kind of bread-baking - everyone is happy with theirs. And the percentage of unjustified expectations among dear ones is higher, it is understandable. So the stove is needed! And cheap or expensive here is purely a matter of taste and nothing more.
For me, My Skarlusha is a super oven! Although the second time I bought it for 1350 rubles. I sold the first one because I was looking for more and better! And if it suddenly breaks, I'll buy the same one! The main thing is not to be removed from production.

For a very long time I chose to buy the first bread maker in my life. I strategically understood that HP for many is a suitcase with a broken handle: many of them were given for weddings, birthdays, at work ... Used a couple of times and played enough. And now it lies on the mezzanine - and you don't use it yourself, and you're too lazy to sell. Moreover, HP is not an iPhone, HP can be sold for six months. Therefore, I threw a cry in the next "Overheard", and then chose the options. There was a lot of Moulinex, there was also Bork, a couple of Panasonic, Scarlet, and one "know name". As a result, I chose a new (used once, in a box, full of minced meat) Daewoo DI-3200S bread maker. On the sites of reviewers, everyone, without exception, wrote about its good quality with Asya its simplicity. And she persuaded the seller to sell it to me for 1000 rubles, because until she places an ad on a flea market, until a real buyer arrives in the village ... And here from the call to the deal - two days. I believe that HP can and should be sought in such a way as to significantly save money.

P.S. And I took a new coffee machine (listed in the "Technique" section), and never regretted it. It is better not to save money with such things - nevertheless, in offices they saw how they operate coffee machines, even when the machine begs to be washed and cleaned.

Good luck to everyone with your purchases and don't overpay!