Sonic
Good day. I got on fire with the purchase of HP, I really want to eat fresh warm bread in the morning. I read a lot of posts, I even sort of decided on the choice of the stove (I'm thinking about Panasonic SD-255). Only my wife saw the Moulinex 5004, and then doubts began. She really wants baguettes (there is a special stand, if I'm not mistaken in the set), but I want Panasonic (like everyone praises). Question: are there the same stands for baguettes on the Panasonic HP?
Elena Bo
Baguette stand only for Moulinex 5004.
And Bork has two buckets (one is ordinary, and the other is round just for cakes)
And Delongy 125 will be programmed
Oh, how many temptations. That would be all good and in Panasonic
Sonic
It's just a matter of whether Panasonic is much different in terms of functions and quality of the resulting bread. If everything is the same, then the baguettes are, and if this is the only plus of Moulinex, then red.
MariV
Quote: Sonic

It's just a matter of whether Panasonic is much different in terms of functions and quality of the resulting bread. If everything is the same, then the baguettes are, and if this is the only plus of Moulinex, then red.
Have you seen this stand? From this stand, four tiny baguettes are made, weighing 100 grams each. - similar in size to "fingers" - there is such white bread.
Sonic
Can you make a sandwich or a hot dog? For a baguette, this is exactly the goal. The main thing is that this stove bakes worthy bread.
Elena Bo
Quote: lira70

And I'll get in))) I bought the stove after spending 1 day on the site - in the morning I accidentally hit it, in the evening I went with my husband and bought a Panasonic 255. I decided that since everyone is happy with it, it means it's worth buying! The stove is excellent, although I had already wounded it - there was a heated airfryer next to it and a hole formed in the side of the stove in the body, but it bakes nevertheless without problems, it just got extra. ventilation)))
And yesterday I went and bought (persuaded my husband) Moulinex 5004, read about her and good reviews and not very much, of course, after Panasonic is a little unusual, like from English. language into German, it seems like the letters are the same but read in different ways)) and so, there are nuances in the inconvenience of using recipes, for example: warm water, there is no such thing in Panas, the floss is made a little worse. In the evening, when I took out Borodinsky bread, a groove broke at the lid, which entered the base, that is, what holds the lid. Even though I was very careful (I read posts about this stove) and nevertheless. To choose a mulineška together with his son (12 years old), he immediately saw that it was not done very well .. clumsy. But we bought it anyway, we’ll get used to this one, and it’s convenient to have 2 stoves (although it may be a perversion))) but in Panas the pizza dough was kneaded (2 times) and at this time Borodino bread was baked in the mulinex))) But baguettes can only be tried on track. weekend.

Good luck to everyone with your bread makers and delicious bread!

This is from the person who bought Moulinex as the second to Panasonic. And somewhere it was from a forum member who changed Mulinex to Panasonic (I can't find something)
Olesha
Bought OW5004 precisely because of baguettes (3 days ago).
The cell length is 18 cm, the weight of the remaining (from today's batch) baguette is 93g.
The bread turns out - super!
I don't know about Panasonic, but I fell in love with Moulinex, I hope mutually

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Baguette stand
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Baguette stand
Mams
Sonic, are you sure that you will not soon get tired of kneading and baking these baguettes with your hands? After all, the dough needs to be taken out of the oven, cut, put again, turn on the oven for baking ... All this can be done with dough from any CP. There are a lot of baking dishes now sold, and you can bake in a regular oven.

This is not to say that you have to run after Panas, but that I would not bother with just a mold for baguettes.

There is no such stand for Panas and for other stoves in general.

Each oven is good in its own way. And in each one you can make good bread.
Sonic
Quote: Mams

Sonic, are you sure that you will not soon get tired of kneading and baking these baguettes with your hands? After all, the dough needs to be taken out of the oven, cut, put again, turn on the oven for baking ... All this can be done with dough from any CP in general. There are a lot of baking dishes now sold, and you can bake in a regular oven.

It’s not me that I have to run after Panas, but that I wouldn’t bother with just a mold for baguettes.

There is no such support for Panas and for other stoves in general.

Each oven is good in its own way. And in each one you can make good bread.

If I like the taste of the bread, I won't get bored. In general, I like to do something with my own hands (it's boring to sit at the TV in the evening). I am interested in the reliability of the stove. I don't want to run around service centers wasting my nerves and theirs. Thank God, I have not yet had to beat off the thresholds of the guarantees.
Rustic stove
Quote: Sonic

Olesha, the baguettes are very appetizing. Probably a very tasty sandwich?

You probably mean something else?
For sandwiches, just square pieces of bread are needed (as from the usual form from HP), from such two square pieces you get 2 triangular sandwiches.
Celestine
Quote: Sonic

If I like the taste of the bread, I won't get bored. In general, I like to do something with my own hands (it's boring to sit at the TV in the evening). I am interested in the reliability of the stove. I don't want to run around service centers wasting my nerves and theirs. Thank God, I have not yet had to beat off the thresholds of the guarantees.

If you read messages about this stove, you could not help but notice Andrey's ordeals, and no one can guarantee the reliability of the stove on the forum, no matter what brand it is ... you can rely only on your luck.
Look at the percentage of stove breakages on the forum, acc. topic and compare, of course the data is not 100%, but still.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=99&topic=2899
Olesha
Quote: Sonic

Olesha, the baguettes are very appetizing. Probably a delicious sandwich?
I do not know, I have not tried it.
We have them and without fillers in the form of sausages (you probably meant it?) Fly away!
Have done 4 times already:
1. (photo) - the most common recipe
2.also, only with deboning in sesame seeds (mmm, yummy)
3.with the addition of honey, walnuts, poppy seeds (not very species - the dough turns out to be gray, because of honey (I think so) the dough structure is more porous) - fly away.
4. as 3, only the PAF-moment yeast, and before that there were PAF-levure.
Maybe today we'll do something else - I'll post pictures

The baguettes themselves, after being poured, turn out to have a very crispy crust (they took the middle one), but inside - everything is so soft and fluffy, I don't know how to describe it ...
Tanyusha
Olesha gray dough does not give honey, but walnuts.
Olesha
Topic about Moulinex OW 5004 Home Bread Baguette
(https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...&Itemid=99&topic=2446.105)
posted a photo of baguettes.
Look, be determined, good luck in choosing HP!
Okssi
I have Panasonic, and I am very pleased with his work. And it seems to me if in Moulinex the dough for baguettes needs to be cut by hand, then what's the difference where to put it on baking - back to the oven or into the oven? ... for me personally, it's even easier in a gas oven, I will save electricity And as far as I noticed looking not the first month of the message on this site, in terms of reliability, Panasonic fails less often ...
Sonic
I went to the nearest shops, not Moulinex 5004, not Panasonic 255. Now I seem to be playing roulette: I buy whatever comes first.
vlaor
I have experience with both of these ovens, Panasonic 253 and Moulinex 5004, they are both wonderful, they bake bread excellently. In Panasonic I didn’t like the shape of the loaf, it’s an irregular shape, like a square Easter cake, but in Moulinex everything is as it should be, two stirrers, two heating shades, an upper and a lower one, molds for baguettes, in one word Rolls-Royce .. I often do sandwiches and it's important to me, but it's a matter of taste. But molds for baguettes are a must. The dough can be kneaded in any bread maker, but then, preheat the oven, make sure that it does not burn, etc.Moulinex does not have these problems.
I am not agitating you to buy Moulinex, I am just telling you its advantages over Panasonic.
Sonic
Yes, I myself am more inclined to Moulinex (not so much the large manufacturers have a large percentage of defects that everything would break, the spread is in hundredths of a percent) But I can't find this stove in stores. Some Lg and Kenwood in the windows, and some sort of Unit.
vlaor
Quote: Sonic

Yes, I myself am more inclined to Moulinex (not so much the large manufacturers have a large percentage of defects that everything would break, the spread is in hundredths of a percent) But I can't find this stove in stores. Some Lg and Kenwood in the windows, and some sort of Unit.
I order everything online, there is a large selection and you can buy it much cheaper, but I go to the store to touch it with my hands and make a choice.
natalka
Quote: Sonic

Yes, I myself am more inclined to Moulinex (not so much the large manufacturers have a large percentage of defects that everything would break, the spread is in hundredths of a percent) But I can't find this stove in stores. Some Lg and Kenwood in the windows, and some sort of Unit.
Why do you think they are not there? Because they are the BEST! Panasonic, Delongy and Moulinex5000 are sorted out like hot cakes.
Bunny
I will also speak out !!!! I love my Mulinex stove !!! baguettes are simply irreplaceable for me, and someone just blatantly lied saying that there were fingers. full bvgeta !!! And I don’t know what kind of delicious bread there is in Panasonic, because there is simply nowhere tastier than mine in 5004 !!! And you already think ... think ...
Bunny
great, I read and it just gets sick, as they begin to slander and dissuade ...
Nobody is insured against marriage, and you don't need to knead the baguettes !!! you just need to divide into 4 parts and put in the form !!! This procedure takes me exactly 2 minutes !!!
The oven works just fine !!! But with the oven - I definitely would not mess with ...
And 2 more of my friends bought stoves like mine and are happy. and the third is going ... here.
Boo Boo
Yes, no one is dissuading anyone, everyone here expresses their opinion. I think adults are able to draw their own conclusions.
Celestine
Quote: Bunny

great, I read and it just gets sick, as they begin to slander and dissuade ...
Nobody is insured against marriage, and you don't need to knead the baguettes !!! you just need to divide into 4 parts and put in the form !!! This procedure takes me exactly 2 minutes !!!
The oven works just fine !!! But with the oven - I definitely would not mess with ...
And 2 more of my friends bought stoves like mine and are happy. and the third is going ... here.

Bunny, you do not read the text very carefully, no one wrote about KMIX baguettes, but what you feel sick of reading - skip past your eyes
And it is not forbidden to express my opinion if I am not interested in "baguettes" (to be exact, baguettes about half a meter should be in length)
When they ask a question, everyone can express their opinion, no one says that they would not buy in any case. For me, personally, the baguette form is also not a priority device, maybe someday I will change my mind, but for now ...
Bunny
how can I tell you - baguettes are not a size, but a shape IMHO

about KNASH I quote: Sonic, are you sure that you will not soon get tired of kneading and baking these baguettes with your hands? (9 post in a row) by MAMs

Well, what the hell to say if you don't know !!!
One thing I can say - it's still a little envy ... whatever they say ...

In general, Celestina, I noticed that you have been picking on me for a long time .... Why such an honor?
Mams
Bunny, then this is a claim to me? Sorry, I meant exactly cutting baguettes.

I will try to explain. Sometimes people buying this or that device do not know what exactly they need from it. And when I wrote about cutting baguettes, that's exactly what I meant. In order for a person to think again whether it is worth looking for this particular model, he may not need it. It is very good that the process does not take much time and effort for you. But the question is this. How long do you bake baguettes? A year, two? As far as I know, three months.As long as you like it, it's good if you like it all the time. And if not? Why look for something that you won't use? Please note that I did not specify which model to buy specifically. And she did not discourage him, she simply advised the person to think. After all Sonic knows better what it is most interesting - to pour it in, eat it, or, as many on the forum do, knead it in the oven, eat it ...

Don't be so harsh, okay? We're trying to help each other here. A bread maker, not a broom - you can make a mistake in your choice.

By the way, I can only say good things about both of my ovens. But I won't.
Boo Boo
I sometimes bake bread in the oven. I knead the dough, divide it in two and bake the loaves. I think these are the actions Sonic had in mind when he wrote about kneading. My opinion is that choosing a stove just because of baguettes is not worth it, although in the absence of an oven, it is possible that forms will help out.
3ay4ik
I think that the bread maker is what you need to "pour and eat". And if you want to knead and bake with your hands in the oven, why waste that kind of money. You can do without a bread machine. :) Long live the automation and the release of women's hands (and not only them) from work!
Bunny
Ok, then I'll explain the situation - I'll bake baguettes forever !!! dad is a diabetic - bread made from buckwheat flour is desirable for him. There would be no problem if it was possible to bake such bread in the form of a large loaf, but when it is really BUCKET flour bread in the majority, it is not baked ... And the baguettes are baked perfectly !!! it is very important for me!!! For 2 hours and 3 minutes + 2 minutes for laying out into forms - 4 excellent baguettes !!! I will definitely use this DEVICE ... This is what concerns me ...

for the Bunny - well, you bent it - in baking baguettes - full automation ... I don't roll anything out - I took out the dough, divided it, put it in molds ... 2 minutes, no more ... It's not difficult for me !!! In addition, see above ... But preheating the oven and watching is not for me ... by the way, in molds for baguettes, excellent buns are obtained. 8 pieces...

PS - I have no complaints against you, Mams ... Sorry.
Sonic
Quote: BooBoo

I sometimes bake bread in the oven. I knead the dough, divide it in two and bake the loaves. I think these are the actions Sonic had in mind when he wrote about kneading. My opinion is that choosing a stove just because of baguettes is not worth it, although in the absence of an oven, it is possible that forms will help out.
I want to clarify that I do not choose ONLY because of the baguettes, but if there is such a bells and whistles, why not. I still hope for the factory quality of the goods, and I think that the marriage rate is from 0.2-0.4%, the chances of getting a marriage for all major manufacturers are almost equal IMHO.
I have already decided on the choice, buy Moulinex. Only there was a problem with the availability in stores. But I promise as soon as I buy I will immediately accomplish my goal with a photo report.
Bunny, can your stove knead dough for dumplings (in options only dough for pizza)?
lira70
You can throw rotten tomatoes at me, but bread in Panas is better !!! In mulinex it is more dense, as I wrote and EDLENA BO quoted it. Rye in Panasa 255 - always at my best, and Borodinsky did the second time for mulika - all the same, they have inaccuracies in recipes, and in many ... In Panasa bread is always excellent !! There are several advantages to mulika, one of them is baguettes. though on the next day they are rubber ... at first I baked, now I gave up. I bake bread in both ovens in turn, and when my son sees that in the mulik, he wrys, he likes bread from Panas ... so I'm glad that the first oven I had was PANAS, excellent construction, strong. reliable! and at the same time I hope that with mulinex we will still bring the recipes to mind ... because 700 ml of water for 600 g of flour I think is a lot - this is from one recipe. And the baguettes .. most likely buns - they don't look like store baguettes.
I wanted variety - here it is - baguettes.
Still, I advise you to be the first to take the Panasonic 255 !!!
But I love both stoves !!!
Bunny
j? and my bread is not at all dense, like a store one ... but porous, perforated and fluffy ...
Okssi
Quote: lira70

You can throw rotten tomatoes at me, but bread in Panas is better !!!
Still, I advise you to be the first to take the Panasonic 255 !!!
But I love both stoves !!!
I absolutely agree with you lira70, when I bought the stove I was tuned in by reading this site on Panasonic, but when I saw both Panasonic and Moulinex in the store, I still wondered what the seller was extremely surprised at. And I advised to definitely take Panasonic ... As far as I watch the messages on this site, I managed to notice that whatever you say, problems with breakdowns in Mulineshka are still more common than in Panas ... I can't see it, apparently I couldn't solve the problems with my oven) ... I don't want to say that Moulinex is worse in baking, I can't know, but according to user reviews, it still turns out that Panasonic is more reliable ...
lira70
Bunny
Dear little man! I didn't want to hurt you! and you must remember that it is thanks to the photos of your baguettes that my son said, mom we take this stove! and I bought a second mulinex 5004 stove!
I just can't help but compare them, since I have both of them! And I'm not saying that the bread is bad, no, it's good, but the difference with Panasonic is very felt !!! It is a pity that photographs do not really show this: just look - maybe something can be understood.
And I will repeat - I did not regret that I have both of these stoves !! but, damn it, recipes from the book ... would shoot those who composed them, this time, and the second - a glass and measuring spoons are not very convenient - I mean dividing by them. and in the recipes there are 285 ml of water .. try to measure them with a glass of moulinex .. in panas divisions of 10 ml, and then you won't catch exactly .. and you can't measure 3/4 tsp - everything by eye, but in panas there is a spoon so divided .. into 4 quarters, which is very convenient. I put in all the ingredients and forget about the bread, then I just take it out, and in a mulinesque I always go up and look, maybe I need to add something ((yesterday Borodinsky again decided to repeat it. not that..
oh sorry for writing so much ..
in short SUMMARY - all the stoves are good, and everyone gets used to their own, and if you like the bread, it means that it is the best!
ALL good and beautiful bread and good shopping !!!
Sonic
Today I traveled all over the northern region of Moscow in search of a stove, well, there are no stoves you were looking for on the shelves, only Lg and Kenwood. The question arises: "Gentlemen, who bought all the stoves?"
vlaor
Quote: lira70

Bunny
Dear little man! I didn't want to hurt you! and you must remember that it is thanks to the photos of your baguettes that my son said, mom we take this stove! and I bought a second mulinex 5004 stove!
I just can't help but compare them, since I have both of them! And I'm not saying that the bread is bad, no, it's good, but the difference with Panasonic is very felt !!! It is a pity that photographs do not really show this: just look - maybe something can be understood.
And I will repeat - I did not regret that I have both of these stoves !! but, damn it, recipes from the book ... would shoot those who composed them, this time, and the second - a glass and measuring spoons are not very convenient - I mean dividing by them. and in the recipes there are 285 ml of water .. try to measure them with a glass of mulinex .. in panas divisions of 10 ml, and then you won't catch it for sure .. and you can't measure 3/4 tsp - everything by eye, but in panas there is a spoon so divided .. into 4 quarters, which is very convenient. I put in all the ingredients and forget about the bread, then I just take it out, and in a mulinesque I go up all the time and look, maybe I need to add something ((yesterday Borodinsky decided to repeat it again. not that..
oh sorry for writing so much ..
in short SUMMARY - all the stoves are good, and everyone gets used to their own, and if you like the bread, it means that it is the best!
ALL good and beautiful bread and good shopping !!!

It has long been necessary to switch to electronic scales and the problem itself will disappear.
For example, I weigh everything on the scales, even the amount of liquid, for me they switch to measuring in ml. And as for the fact that bread is better in Panasonic, that's a question. I had a Panasonic, and now Moulinex, the bread in them is almost the same, except for the shape.And due to the fact that in Panasonic the loaf is elongated upward, it seems to you that the bread turns out to be more airy, but this is a delusion, excuse me.
Boo Boo
Quote: Sonic

Today I traveled all over the northern region of Moscow in search of a stove, well, there are no stoves you were looking for on the shelves, only Lg and Kenwood. The question arises: "Gentlemen, who bought all the stoves?"
I couldn't find Panasonic for a long time. I called all the stores nowhere. And then I called Eldorado again and was told that there was one. When I arrived there, the saleswoman said that she was really alone and had just been put on display. That's how we got our beauty. So my advice to you is not to drive. You have to get on the phone and call. You will be told in which store exactly there is and you will be happy.
Kosha
Today we were looking for a Panasonic-255 stove for a good friend.
The answer is the same everywhere: it will be only in a month and the price is not less than 7000 rubles.
Phoned about fifteen online stores, went to the Electric Fair (metro Prazhskaya).
Bunny
I have already photographed baguettes (which, by the way, with my recipe adjustments - the taste of a loaf), and bread ... sorry for the pictures - this is just a pitiful likeness
Bunny
now I'll write what recipe
450 ml. water
3 tsp salt
2 tbsp. tablespoons of unrefined oil
400 gr wheat flour
125 gr. rye flour
125 gr. buckwheat flour
50 gr. bran
1.5 tsp. yeast

illustrations later
vlaor
Is this a baguette adjustment or is this your rye bread?
vlaor
Do you correct the baguettes?
And then I get a little bit small.
Bunny
and I correct the baguettes - 200 ml of water and 320 grams of flour .. something like this, and I never roll them on the board - I from them on the weight in my hands .. 30 seconds and a mustache!
Bunny
and I also bake buckwheat baguettes - my dad is diabetic, 250 grams of water and 300 grams of flour - half buckwheat with wheat
Alexandra
Bunny,

As a diabetic, I want to warn you: buckwheat flour, unlike natural uncrushed buckwheat, has a high GI. As with wheat white flour. So it makes sense for your dad to take not half, but, say, a quarter of buckwheat and whole grain flour and half of white wheat. Or replace a quarter with bran.
I invite you to look into Temka about recipes and secrets of healthy eating. There is about GI, and some recipes, including those suitable for diabetics. And just for those who want to keep their figure

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...34.0
Bunny
Stand for baguettes
Stand for baguettes
Bunny
Stand for baguettes
Stand for baguettes
Stand for baguettes
Alexandra
Quote: vlaor

Alexandra
Are you satisfied with the bork? I really like its design.

Vlaor,

Although my communication with this stove began not without incident - I was given it with a defective blade, which scrolled and did not knead - but it was immediately replaced (all the twists and turns in a separate Temko about Bork).
And I'm quite happy with her! There are also 2 buckets, lighting inside and programming as in Delongey
Although now I do more kneading on it, but I bake it in the oven
take a look
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=99&topic=3434.0
Olesha
Quote: vlaor

It has long been necessary to switch to electronic scales and the problem itself will disappear.

I support!
Instead of a measuring cup, you need to complete the HP with scales!
Since this device was not in the package, I had to go to the store and buy it.
Now there are no problems with the exact measurement of ingredients.
lira70

Vlaor


I'm glad that everything is so superb!
I have had the scales for a long time, because in Panasonic recipes they are all very necessary !!! I'm talking about the inconvenience of a glass and a measuring spoon FOR BEGINNERS !!! I just weigh and measure everything without any problems - Panas has very comfortable spoon and glass!
And it is better to share your thoughts and experiences than to finish off each other with sarcastic remarks! That the same beginners could immediately make good and tasty bread!
Or do you disagree with me?

And thanks to Zaikathat she is sharing her work with us! Her bread is actually very beautiful and I have no doubt that it is VERY tasty!
This can be seen from the photo!

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