Luke
Brothers, as you are who inspire my deepest confidence, then give me some advice about the vacuum cleaner, pliz!

My situation is this: dirty carpets, especially entrance rugs. I just have a vacuum cleaner. There is also a Karcher with a water filter. I'm thinking of something like a steam generator with some kind of suction device (I wonder if there are any?) Or a washing one, but some not as huge as WAX and the like ...

What do you say, colleagues?

nasv
I've had WAX for several years now. The choice was careful - forums, a shopping trip with the questioning of sellers, a repair shop by profile. What was needed was a washing vacuum cleaner. At that time, the general opinion leaned towards WAX, all others with this function were rejected by the sellers themselves. Its huge size is mainly due to the volume of the water container, the engine is also not small, but this is understandable - a powerful engine is needed for effective washing. Stored under a large work table for a child, does not interfere.
xb
I have kirby. I love. There is a "dry carpet cleaner" attachment and a special shampoo. It is heavy in weight, it is made of metal - about 10 kg. But he has an automatic transmission .... when you turn it on, you can push with your finger. Someone suggested to my wife to invite the Kirbach people to clean the carpet for free, but I really liked the vacuum cleaner. There were already so many of them, and there were always sheer disappointments. On TV there was a program where they talked about vacuum cleaners, recommended vacuum cleaners with replaceable bags and a NEP filter .... Detergents were somehow not recommended. In Kirby, there are just removable bags of large volume, enough for a long time. True, when I cleaned my parents' apartment, I had two bags of lime (although they vacuum regularly). Here I did dry cleaning of carpets in the hallway. There is some interesting principle ... From the reservoir, foam is fed to the carpet. First, you cover everything with foam, then you turn a special handle and this foam collects ... there are also brushes that comb out dirt from the pile. When drained, the water was dirty with sand. I had to clean it twice, but the result is good. The carpets in the hallway were fresher, softer than steel.
Outwardly, I also liked it, as from the 50s in design. Now new models have appeared, I do not like their futuristic design, retro is closer to me.
Many are annoyed by the form of selling these vacuum cleaners. This did not bother me, because I had long since learned to trust my own instinct, and not someone else's opinion. I had a small conflict with the sellers, after I bought the vacuum cleaner. On the one hand, it is very expensive in Russia. But my friend bought a spinning rod for 5 thousand dollars as a gift, and now I am silent about the high cost, everything is relative. They sell it on credit, and although I have money to pay the full amount, I didn't. What on credit, what immediately - no difference.
I am very satisfied with the vacuum cleaner, as they do not sell. If you are interested, write, ask.
p.s. I have a washing vacuum cleaner. Keep it in case the water needs to be collected quickly (God forbid)
xb
I agree with you. Now I get pleasure from cleaning
Luke
xb, Thanks for the detailed answer. But despite the fact that the answer is detailed - it raised a bunch of questions.
I just after reading the post remembered that some guys called me repeatedly and persistently offered to vacuum the carpet of some kind of "cybri". Once I persistently asked how much this unit costs, after which the calls stopped immediately.
I take it this is a technique like the Renbow Zepter vacuum cleaner? Interestingly, the price is also 75 thousand? I'm really thinking: is there any point in giving money? Is it razvodilovo or not?

Judging by the reports, Kirby seems to fit the description.
Question: what is it all the same: washing, with a water filter or something else?

To be honest, I am not very impressed with WAX. True, I bought it 15 years ago. Perhaps over the years, something has been seriously improved, but before I was wildly annoyed by the remaining water on the floor, a wet, non-drying carpet, a stupid brush that had to be constantly turned over ... Although, I repeat, now it is possible that everything is different.

And I also saw on the market some English patented vacuum cleaners without a dust bag. They work on the principle of a cyclone. Generally positioned as air cleaners (?). That is, the outlet air is cleaner than the inlet. Like they suck in ticks, and their waste products .... Lifetime warranty and all that. Here, I forgot what they are called. The price is somewhere from 13 to 22 thousand rubles for a fancy model. Maybe who saw?

Guys, write something else about kirby, huh? How much is? What is the working principle? Where to look for them, distributors? Does it make sense to watch their presentation?
xb
The best way is to invite the Kirby guys to present the vacuum cleaner. Only initially you need to tune in that even if you liked the vacuum cleaner, this time do not take it, but put all the pros and cons in your head ... At the presentation, see it well, try to vacuum ... and add up your opinion without listening to the guys from kirby.
I really like the vacuum cleaner. He has a big bag, enough for half a year. Vacuum cleaners with bags are the most correct design. No one has come up with anything better. Read the information on choosing a vacuum cleaner. Somewhere there are such pages on the Internet. I found in due time.
Kirby has a nozzle for dry cleaning carpets and upholstered furniture with special shampoos.
The complete set costs 108 thousand rubles
Luke
xb, Thank you!

I've already studied Kirby thoroughly. It turns out that the main competitor is the Ceptor Rainbow. The question is for you, as a person with practice, which, as you know, is the criterion of truth. Tell me, is it good - a dust bag for half a year? That is, in each cleaning, the air passes through all the previously collected dust? What will those who know about this say?
xb
Rainbow is not a competitor. Even outwardly, Rainbow loses very much. And at the expense of water filtration and dry cleaning, like Kirby's ... I watched the TV show which vacuum cleaner is better ... It's not about specific models, but about the principle. Unambiguously said "dry cleaning! Replaceable bags!"
The Kirby has a bag designed in such a way that it needs to be changed when debris and dust fill it up to a certain mark.
Rainbow, Kirby ... they all recommend their vacuum cleaners for healthcare. This means they guarantee dust-free air.
DuDyuka_Kiev
The wife of one of her husband's friends took up this Rainbow ... now she is actively asking for a visit with the unit.
and why Rainbow is a Zepter, I found in the Internet - some American company.
we talked only by phone, while the house is being renovated, there is nowhere to invite, especially since we don't live at home. According to her, Kirby is a complete swindle. Clearly everyone praises his own ...
but this Rainbow is worth ... $ 3000 is clearly not superfluous.

what about Karcher?

Well, I don't trust all kinds of network marketing and aggressive sales. in fact, the thing is worth at least 3 times cheaper than you are shocked.
fugaska
at my friend Karcher - she is very happy. I have an ordinary roventa, and I also do not suffer, a normal vacuum cleaner ... if only a dust collector for 3000 cu. That is, he did the cleaning himself - I would definitely buy it without hesitation, but so ... I would rather invest such money in a child! I absolutely agree that network marketing is just exorbitant!
xb
We are not discussing network marketing, but vacuum cleaners. If you read the topic carefully, you should have noticed that I had a lot of all kinds of vacuum cleaners. I have been using Kirby for almost a year now. Yes, I overpaid three times, but how else to buy it? Somewhere on the forum people discussed ordering from America. It costs 1000, but we need an adapter for our mains voltage. Nonsense.
I did not choose between Kirby and Rainbow, but the principle of work. Once again I am writing about what the experts talked about in the TV show about vacuum cleaners. Recommended not with water filters, but with ordinary replaceable bags.
They arrange inexpensive vacuum cleaners ... Let them be inexpensive ... But I have a karcher in my garage. He has some kind of non-home design
Luke
I have 2 karcher: one in the garage, one in the house. And somewhere else in the barn lies their washing. Okay, design. (Although, in fact, it does not leave the feeling that you brought the appliance into the house from a nearby machine sink.) All advertised advantages quickly cease to exist because of the absolutely shitty materials used in the manufacture of appliances. All these plastic connections, tips, tubes and tubes - all this I regularly fail. I was tired of buying consumables and spare parts.

A! I forgot. I also have a professional steam generator lying around. For $ 1500.

A reasonable question arises: why the hell did you, citizen, buy this technique, if even after the first instrument it should have become clear that the technique is not aerobatics?

My answer is: a victim of advertising and their own internal attitudes. Network marketing is resting. Well, I just could not believe that Germany could drive bullshit. And even more so in such a number that even special stores open (we have - "ModoDyr"). For me, Karcher was associated with cleanliness for a very long time, and only somewhere after 4-5 devices did the associations begin to slip into the last syllable of the company name.

I think network marketing on Karcher would have sailed in the first couple of months. And kirdyk would be our homebrew marketers.

Of not the most expensive technology, I like Millet.

Inclined with xb agree.

Rainbow, it means, is not sensitive? Yeah ... it's just that my aunt from the Zepter gets it in for me. (And I don't like Zepter, for some reason ... Although I haven't tried anything).

Soooo .... Kirby .... Damn, my husband will drive me out of the house someday: the number of equipment I have bought exceeds any normal norms. Especially vacuuming ...
Luke
I thought, I thought ... I decided to add in fairness: The Karcher vacuum cleaner (which is watery, healthy) is quite a good thing. For dry cleaning. What I like is the complete absence of any odors during and after cleaning. It has been working for me for 4 years already (which is already not bad for such bulky structures, IMHO.)

Of the minuses, filters are quite expensive. Once every 2-3 months, you need to change the water filter (a little over 1000 rubles) and once a year - a hepa filter (about $ 100). If you do not change the filters in time, the suction power drops to almost 0. You have to keep in mind all the time about buying a store. And buying for future use is decent for the money, and I don't like to arrange a warehouse at home.

Then, guys, we all have very different ideas about cleanliness and what "good" is. (Even though Comrade Mayakovsky dashed off a poem for the stupid.) My husband is a pedant. He needs not just clean, but very clean. Otherwise, he starts to get nervous, but what for I need it. Therefore, I do not just need to brush off the dust. For this, any vacuum cleaner is quite suitable. Therefore, it seems to me xb in the subject. I have a friend (there is generally perfect cleanliness around the clock) - Rainbow is already 8 - 10 years old. Works as on the day of purchase. I would buy, but I need to clean the sofa carpets ...
DuDyuka_Kiev
Thanks for the feedback from the real owners of the miracle technology!

somehow I used to use my usual little Bosch with a plastic container for collecting dust and did not think about it, and then in a few days a lot of suggestions and information fell down, I took up self-education

Karcher - she asked because a friend has a child allergy to dust and she was conducting a "marketing research" of the cleaning technique. As a result, after reviewing all the Kirby-Hewley-Rainbows, I settled on a Karcher with a steam generator.

at the expense of the expediency of buying an expensive vacuum cleaner, you will still need to think carefully ..
fugaska
to the question of allergies: I heard that there are air purifiers, terribly expensive (no matter how Rainbow, I'm not sure) - they collect dust, disinfect, in short, a bunch of useful functions. I haven't been convinced to spend a lot of money yet, but in principle a worthwhile thing.
xb
Found an interesting link to the article. It is funny written, but probably true.

Kirby's paradox



The Kirby vacuum cleaner is the most sophisticated "home cleaning system" there is: two powerful Harley-Davidson motors, forty attachment functions, a $ 30 million Zipbrush with an integrated rotor, and a dedicated fan , released from the bowels of the space agency NASA ... Why does this wonderful machine not work in every our home?

Wanna free carpet shampoo, baby? 1
My neighbor, a young, elegant and business woman, works for the American insurance company AIG. A week ago I found her in the company of my wife in the kitchen over a cup of coffee, a glass of liquor and in a state of gambling whispering, the lofty meaning of which is not available to any man in the world. The result of this whispering was an event that struck me from the spot with its absurdity: supposedly some acquaintance works for some American company selling vacuum cleaners, and this, they say, the company is holding an advertising campaign: they go home (of course: everything is done in close circle!) and dry-clean your carpets for free. “And what in return?” I screwed up my eyes, as befits a person who has just published a two-volume book about “The Great Scams of the 20th Century.” “The fact of the matter is that nothing at all! Free-for-charge! "It's amazing how you can carry through your whole life a pure faith in the existence of a disinterested ball business." Well, well, "I chuckled and immediately forgot about the incident.

The representative of the vacuuming company showed up at our house at noon the next day. As usual, I was dying hopelessly at the computer, so the honor and burden of communication fell on the shoulders of my wife. Five minutes later Svetlana looked into the office: "Come out, please, he asks you to attend." "To attend what? Carpet cleaning? So I was present last Sunday, my back still hurts." The wife left, then came back: "Well, go out for a minute, he doesn't start without you! It's not a vacuum cleaner, but some kind of spacecraft. Imagine, he has a Harley-Davidson motor!" "What-oh-oh ?!" - after the publication of "Potato-potato" I take any information about this legendary company to heart. It looks like it was time to get acquainted with the miracle vacuum cleaner.

Admin, a smart, formal-looking man of about 35, in a suit and tie (a good outfit for a carpet cleaner!), Enthusiastically shook my hand and proceeded to eviscerate the vacuum cleaner box of a completely unfamiliar Brand: Kirby. Ultimate G Diamond Edition with a proud addition: "Made in America for 90 Years since 1914" 2.

- Wow, Admin! Where has your "Kerby" been hiding for 90 years? I have never heard of him ...

“Kirby,” Roman corrected condescendingly. - It's just that vacuum cleaners from this company have never been sold in stores. In Russia, a representative office was opened only three years ago, and we also sell Ultimate G only during home demonstrations.

"Yeah, well, now everything is clear," I thought, and glanced victoriously at my wife. "Here is the price of a free carpet cleaner: they will sniff a vacuum cleaner." How wrong I was! Demonstration of the capabilities of "Kirby" lasted ... four hours (!), However, I cannot call it a banal sniffing. Best of all, this action can be conveyed by one of the reprises of the legendary American comedians of the 70s Chicha and Chong:

- The hero of our show is Bob Beacham, former Dean of the Philosophy Department at Harvard University. Bob, tell us why you got kicked out of the pulpit?

- Evil tongues say that I went on a too long "acid cruise" 4, but this is not true. I just played the "Black Sabbath" record at 78 rpm!

- What happened?

- I saw God!

In my situation, the record was the Ultimate G vacuum cleaner, whose perfection cannot be described in any words (it is no coincidence that the demonstration of capabilities serves as the main argument), and the salesman Admin spun this record at 78 revolutions, demonstrating a sample of such a "hard-sell" 5 that from a prolonged session we and his wife came out exhausted and on the verge of a nervous breakdown.Later I learned that it is the amalgam of absolute quality and semi-criminal sales technique that determines Kirby's reputation all over the world (vacuum cleaners are sold in 60 countries).

Let's make a reservation right away: "Kirby" does not in any way correlate with the king of multilevel marketing, the "Amway" company - a worthy exhibit of our museum of the Great Scams of the XX century (see "Amway - the grandson of Baal", "BZ" No. 22, from 2003). First, Kirby does not build a zombie pyramid of "share directs" that sponsor each other. Secondly, it sells goods that are hundreds of parsecs apart in quality from the faded Amway consumer goods. Judge for yourself.

Personally, I can't imagine how you can sell a vacuum cleaner for ... THREE THOUSAND THREE DOLLARS! Unsurprisingly, Admin only mentioned the hefty price tag of his Ultimate G Diamond Edition at the very end of the four-hour demo. Of course, one glance is enough to guess: "Kirby" will be more expensive than its "penny-sucking" Korean counterpart. A mind-boggling design at the junction of futuristic lines and languid retro 30s (with a streamlined shape reminiscent of a Bugatti!), An uncompromisingly armor-piercing design made of ultra-modern metals, an automatic gearbox (!) That drives the wheels, two powerful engines from Harley, a sea of ​​attachments that allow the Untimate G to perform forty functions (among others: pumping balls, vibrating, polishing the floor, trimming dogs and even clearing sewers!). Throw in the signature Zipbrush with an integrated rotor, which cost $ 30 million to develop (you should have seen how reverently Admin pronounced that number!), A special fan from NASA's labs, and you have the ultimate home system. cleaning ", which only exists in the world. And yet, the design and family ties with the Apollo 13 are not enough to justify the inhuman price of Ultimate G. That's when the main trump card comes into play - a demonstration of the vacuum cleaner's work!

Everything that "Kirby" did in the hands of Roman, invariably happened in comparison with a competitor - a "Korean" who has long been registered in our house, sucking, though not for a penny, but not much more. At first, Admin invited me to work hard on any part of the carpet with my regular vacuum cleaner, then with a light touch of the boot, he turned on the drive on the Ultimate G automatic transmission and after two or three rentals he laid out literally a centimeter of thick dust and dirt on the snow-white mug of the demonstration filter. It’s incomprehensible where all this came from: at least outwardly, the carpet looked completely clean. By the way, about the filter circles that Admin laid out in dozens all over the house (obviously for a reason!).

While Admin vacuumed the walls and ceilings, climbed into the most distant corners of the cabinet with a bizarrely curved hose and sucked sugar from under the box tightly pressed to the floor with a 100% result, his whole appearance made it clear: "Sha, guys, these are flowers!" The berries arose after Kirby walked a couple of times on the sleeping mattress and left a thick layer of pale gray pollen on the demo filter. "Do you know what this is?" - Admin asked menacingly. "Dust?" - frightened in advance, suggested Svetlana. “Ha-ha-ha!” The Kirby salesman exclaimed, extracting a photograph of a disgusting insect from a solid dossier. “Meet the dust mite! In a dream, a person erases the outer skin, and a dust mite drags it into mattresses and blankets. Organic mass on the filter. - this is the processed excrement of the parasite! " After a pause and enjoying the horror on our faces, Admin continued: "The worst thing is that the organic mass from the mattress rises into the air with our every move and stays in the air at a height of 20 centimeters for two hours. No vacuum cleaner in the world is able to relieve allergy sufferers. this deadly danger. Only Kirby! The Ultimate G's suction depth from under dense fabric surfaces reaches 45 centimeters. " “Well, what?” Admin concluded victoriously.- Do you need such a vacuum cleaner in the house or not? "" Needed! "- we blurted out in one breath." So what stops you from purchasing our unique home cleaning system? "" Of course, the price! "

Admin was pleased that events were developing strictly according to an unshakable scenario: "Of course, the price is rather big, and therefore our company has developed a special financing plan that allows people with even the most modest income to become happy owners of Kirby." This was followed by a touching story about how Admin demonstrated Ultimate G to his mother, who loved the magic machine so much that she literally begged her son to sell the vacuum cleaner on an unheard of preferential scheme: one hundred dollars now, tomorrow another 1,000 ("I'll borrow it at work!"). and then $ 345 for 8 months. "I think I can offer you exactly the same deferral scheme as an exception. Hand in hand?" - Admin looked into my eyes with hope.

Well, Admin turned out to be an excellent salesman and brilliantly convinced me of the irreplaceable Kirby in the household (I close my eyes and immediately see a dust mite!). In the end, it was not his fault that fate brought him to a computer "geek" 6. And so ... Within five minutes I learned from the Internet that the average price of Ultimate G from an American dealer is $ 1,100-1,200, and the most popular financing plan is $ 3 a day with zero advance. In several online stores you can buy Kirby for only $ 899 in the most complete set and with free shipping anywhere in the world. True, bypassing Kirby itself: the manufacturer's website clearly states that sales are carried out exclusively through home demonstrations by independent authorized distributors, and vacuum cleaners in retail stores and online stores are, like, reconditioned used and are not covered by the factory warranty. But here, as they say, for an amateur: either for $ 899 and without a factory warranty (instead of it - a 5-year warranty from the selling organization), or for $ 3,300 - with a factory warranty. Suum cuique (to each his own (lat.)).
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Luke
That's for sure. Think about it. I've been thinking for a year now.
In the meantime, I found an alternative (at a price, anyway). English vacuum cleaners. Some unimaginable number of patents: about 300.
I've already watched them. They look great: very compact. As sellers assure, the air at the outlet is cleaner than at the inlet. The suction power is such that when cleaning long-haired carpets, it is imperative to reduce the power, otherwise it pulls out the pile. It is argued that ticks and their waste products have no chance.

I tried it myself: assembly-disassembly is quick and convenient. What seemed good to me - no consumables. The single (washable) filter has a lifetime warranty. Works according to the principle "no dust bag".

Prices from 12 to 20 for the most sophisticated (for allergy sufferers who have it in their heads to get a cat or a dog) Well, and different extras. purchased attachments.

Although 12 thousand (for the base model) is also not a big deal. I almost bought it during the presentation (I was especially impressed by how the seller tied it in a knot and jumped on a hose: like a guarantee that it is not killed at all). Fortunately, I didn't have the required amount with me. Now I think: maybe, as an intermediate option between Millet and Rainbow-Kirby?

My mind is completely boiled, in short.
Luke
I reread my previous post and thought: "Shouldn't I go to a newspaper like" AiF ": write registered advertising letters?"
My syllable is straightforward, and the information content is like a street vendor ...

I, brothers, myself do not know which is better ...

To fugaska:

Indeed, Rainbow has a purifier. I saw my friend the other day (she is a Rainbow fan). She is very happy. It looks like a transparent flask filled with water. It does not puff around itself, does not let out steam, does not spread dirt around it (like all sorts of ultrasonic cleaners). What is surprising: stands in the far corner of the room, opposite from the window. And she showed me how such, you know, small midges that often grow in flower pots swim in the water in a flask. Ie.he takes air in the whole room ... Here too: I think.

So I do not want another advertising hit. After all, there is such an effect, described by Mark Twain. Remember, there two crooks put up a tent on the market square, and they began to call the people, like inside there is a drop dead sight. A man enters the tent - he sees nothing. A man stands there and explains to him: "So what if you were deceived! And you will leave here and say that you saw something awesome! And enjoy the sight of fools standing in line here!"

Indeed, it is insulting sometimes to admit that you were shown or given a dummy. So you begin to convince others and yourself that you are terribly happy that you bought this super-self-washable gurgle that never breaks forever!

Itself is sinful by it. Although I struggle with myself ...
xb
Into Dyson's account. There was a moment when I looked at him. But I found a review where a lady talked about the wear and tear of a part and the problem of purchasing it, about caring for a vacuum cleaner. If it is without a bag, then some parts of it need to be washed and dried. Type "dyson reviews" into a search engine.
xb
Indeed, it is insulting sometimes to admit that you have been shown or given a dummy. So you begin to convince others and yourself that you are terribly happy that you bought this super-self-washable, indestructible gurgle!
Just now I read your postscript. What is the way to consider yourself smarter than others? I stop communicating with you on the topic of choosing a vacuum cleaner.
Luke
Quote: xb

Indeed, it is insulting sometimes to admit that you were shown or given a dummy. So you begin to convince others and yourself that you are terribly happy that you bought this super-self-washable, indestructible gurgle!
Just now I read your postscript. What is the way to consider yourself smarter than others? I stop communicating with you on the topic of choosing a vacuum cleaner.

Will you talk on another topic?
Just think, what an insult! Himself Admin praised for his sense of humor, and himself ...
I’m not about you at all, I’m about myself, in fact, I wrote about my post about Dyson. However, it is sometimes very difficult to express your thoughts correctly on the Internet: people are often offended. Even smilies were invented for this, but they do not help much either. Therefore, people are forced to blunt and directly attribute at the end of their posts: "Just don't be offended. I don't mean anything like that ..." and similar explanations.

So let's be friends back! And even more so about vacuum cleaners. Thanks to you, Kirby lathered up to buy, and he - bam! - and tore the dip. relations. Do you want me to bake you a roll?
Lorana
Naryla in the Internet - as a competitor to your Kirby.
It hangs around the apartment itself and vacuums.
Who has cats - entertains cats.
Only 48 pieces against hundreds per kirby.
fugaska
saw him in action
definitely have fun (not to mention cats)
if my budget allowed me to buy a vacuum cleaner for three bucks, I would rather buy this one (I would also save money)
xb
He does not make any competition to any vacuum cleaner, but talk about him as a toy.
This is a whole line of cleaning robots. I was interested in them at one time, because it is really a funny thing. Communicated with people-owners ... There are many "pitfalls". I also advise you to talk, before drawing conclusions about the savings.
Fugasca and others, I advise you to open a new topic about saving money In the topic about vacuum cleaners, you do not need to raise this topic.
Everyone, preparing to buy, already represents the amount that he expects to purchase a vacuum cleaner. Even in the store you will first be asked "how much are you counting on?"
fugaska
and I do not raise the topic of saving, in this case it is secondary, and even with humor! if I were talking about saving, I would suggest arm yourself with a broom and a rag. you can buy two vacuum cleaners! but the appearance (and this is one of the selection criteria) of the robot cleaner inspires me more. and positive emotions from the principle of work are guaranteed, and this is also a big plus !!!
and the proposed unit still corresponds to the theme - it was not a refrigerator that you were offered! no one is forcing him to buy.it really has plenty of cons, but it's cool.
Let's be friends! if you want, I'll bake you two rolls - for myself and for Lorana
Lorana
fugaska
One roll is probably enough, I'd rather make some coffee for it
Let's be friends
Yesterday my husband and I climbed a little on the Internet, read what they write about such gizmos and thought that it might be worth buying such a thing. Well, maybe not quite the same, but cheaper, but nevertheless. With our pathological laziness, it would have saved us, and our mustachioed joy
read ixbt again, they write that the thing is useful and extremely cool. With its own, of course, ambushes, but ambushes are everywhere.
Yes, it is better to clean carpets with some more hard device, but these seem to cope with carpets. And our linoleum-tile-laminate will clean it with a bang.
let's live in peace Which vacuum cleaner to buy?
DyuDyuka_Kiev
by the way, who cares ... I took myself a Karcher with a steam generator and a turbo brush.
after the purchase, they came to show us Rainbow. A cool thing, but if it cost at least 3 times cheaper, then I would take it, and so ...
I made sure that I took a super thing for my money !!! The steam generator has made window cleaning a pleasure. and without any additional detergents. The same for the tiles, to be honest, old grease and strong dirt must be rubbed, after all, I washed the kitchen with detergents and scrapers after repairs, but if for weekly cleaning, then it washes the tile at once.

Vacuum cleaner, directly function. compared with the gadgets of the Rainbow, proved to be a worthy contender. But by knocking out with add. the Rainbow brush did not compare. Although the principle turned out to be the same.

I must say that Rainbow's presentation itself turned out to be quite informative. For myself, I brought out a lot of new things precisely on the principles and methods of cleaning. How does any add. equipment with different surfaces.

BUT. such happiness as Karcher, so that immediately with a steam generator, which greatly facilitates the cleaning of tiles and windows, does not duplicate.
torturesru
Such people also came to me and explained that my Wax does not remove dust mites, you can see the guys have eyes like a microscope, but their car ... But seriously, 100,000 is not the price of a vacuum cleaner, a professional Metabo costs four times cheaper. And one more indicator why their equipment is not taken by stores means that it is not very much in demand.
Nadeyka
And I have a nice story with "Kirby"
She herself is an asthmatic ... A good fellow from Kirby came to me and began to demonstrate his vacuum cleaner, thrusting "demonstration filters" under his nose, which collect dirt ... Of course, by the end of the demonstration I had no time for it
In fact, I was confused by these huge dust bags ... the potential bomb right
And I still haven't understood a few things - how can you vacuum the walls or the ceiling with this giant? Tell us, plz, happy owners. (In addition to cleaning the walls and ceilings from dust, there is a favorite "entertainment" to catch wasps, flies and mosquitoes with a vacuum cleaner - the first is very important, since there are animals and children at home, and when making jam, such guests arrive quite often)
And the second - there was a feeling that the vacuum cleaner lifted fine dust into the air (I’m just allergic to it), which didn’t settle during the day for sure (it would lie somewhere deep under the parquet floor, like before, and don't bother me).
I myself would like to purchase a lightweight compact vacuum cleaner for everyday cleaning, here I sit, collecting information on the internet .... Disposable dust bags - good - but only when they are at hand and the model of the vacuum cleaner is new enough - otherwise you will have to wool markets and shops. .., it is economical without dust bags, but I can't imagine how to dispose of the contents ... Gentlemen, allergy sufferers, share your findings.
torturesru
Fortunately, he is not an allergic person himself, but there is one observation - the better the vacuum cleaner filters the dust, the oddly enough it is worse - ever finer dust appears in the exhaust, which hangs in the air for a long time, giving a specific smell after cleaning.A central vacuum cleaner with outdoor exhaust would be ideal for you, but where to put it, well, a vacuum cleaner with a water filter would be nice. He will at least nail the whitest dust to the floor and prevent it from flying.
Second
At some forum about 2 years ago this "Kirby" was already discussed. In America it cost $ 700 + shipping to Russia $ 50. It makes an awesome impression on everyone, it's all about the design of the suction device. Unlike other vacuum cleaners, it pulls the lint out of carpets. Here is your "dust mite". Vacuum several times and the carpet becomes bald. By the way, this year they are pushing him for 118,000 rubles.

torturesru

Very good link. Confirmed what I and assumed, the next bloody. Well, I don't believe in a technique that is not served in stores, well, the sellers are not stupid, if it were so excellent, they would have signed a contract with Kirby long ago and would have sold themselves. And the whistle is the most common - a 30 million brush, two motors, etc. / I wonder what percentage of the price goes to cover the expenses of these very presenters?
Second
Somewhere they wrote that they have a salary of 16 thousand + 20% of sales.
torturesru
Quote: Second

Somewhere they wrote that they have a salary of 16 thousand + 20% of sales.
20% off a hundred pieces ?! Well, then it's understandable why they come to see me almost every week. Moreover, external wealth was clearly assessed. Apparently they hope to vparit :) Well, at the same time they clean my apartment.
Pani Olga
And now seriously about the vacuum cleaner.
My daughter is asthmatic, we bought a Karcher with a water filter. There is also a HEPA-12 filter. It costs about 8,000 rubles. In the underground.
Pros - suitable for allergy sufferers, since the dust dissolves in water, there are no bags for collecting dust, which, if not changed after each cleaning, then mold will start in them.
The final HEPA filter retains the very fine dust that a conventional vacuum cleaner throws back into the air.
Low price.
Reliable in operation

Cons - heavy, uncomfortable wheels, bulky.
It is necessary to buy an antifoam agent, one bottle of 200 rubles, enough for 50 cleanings.

And then think for yourself. If you have any questions, I will answer.
NatalyaN
About Kirby. When they came to me for a demonstration, at first they said that they would now take my vacuum cleaner and show what the difference is in them. But when they found out that I had a Regular washing machine Thomas Twin TT, then for some reason the difference was not shown to me ... Think for yourself ...
torturesru
Quote: NatalyaN

About Kirby. When they came to me for a demonstration, at first they said that they would now take my vacuum cleaner and show what the difference is in them. But when they found out that I had a Regular washing machine Thomas Twin TT, then for some reason the difference was not shown to me ... Think for yourself ...
I had similarities with Vax.
By the way, in water vacuum cleaners some part of the dust with water in the form of fine dirt flies out, but much less than in traditional vacuum cleaners. It is impossible not to lose dust with "exhaust" at all, if too powerful filters are installed, there will be a high resistance to the outgoing air. Therefore, you have to choose the least evil. Ideal, so far inaccessible to us, are central vacuum cleaners with "exhaust" to the street. But this is only for cottages :(
Gulshat
Quote: NatalyaN

About Kirby. When they came to me for a demonstration, at first they said that they would now take my vacuum cleaner and show what the difference is in them. But when they found out that I had a Regular washing machine Thomas Twin TT, then for some reason the difference was not shown to me ... Think for yourself ...

Yes, yes, exactly! I had the same story with Kirby. They also did not compare. My sales representative was cleaning the mattress. Now, he says, we will tell you what you sleep on !!! And he made such a terrible face Opens his filter - and there with a gulkin, as they say, nose. After leaving the bargaining, I passed the mattress with my vacuum cleaner, and collected a lot of dust. Moreover, my vacuum cleaner is simple enough, without a bag for collecting dust, with a flask like this on the outside (very convenient in the sense that you can see what is sucked in there). I have had it for a long time, and I began to look for a replacement for him. So that the filters do not have to be washed so often, otherwise I was completely exhausted in my apparatus, constantly clogged.Maybe all powerful vacuum cleaners have such a problem?
Celestine
Quote: NataliaN

About Kirby. When they came to me for a demonstration, they first said that they would now take my vacuum cleaner and show what the difference is in them. But when they found out that I have a Regular washing machine Thomas Twin TT, then for some reason the difference was not shown to me ... Think for yourself ...

And when they saw my Thomas TT, at first they were sad (there were 2 of them), and towards the end they came to the point where they began to prove to me how bad my dust was (they had already forgotten that with a water filter or something) that the dust passes through and stinks when cleaning with dust ... I did not argue, if only they left as soon as possible (they tortured me for 3 hours, and I have one room and not a single carpet), but they vacuumed the sofa
lina
Allergic person. Thomas Twin TT (I look, there are many who have it) I do not notice fine dust flying out. We cleaned up after a global repair - at first there was an LG vacuum cleaner with disposable bags, the bags did not have time to run out, because the vacuum cleaner first "spat out" almost half of the collected dust, and then overheated from the fact that it clogged with dust. The vacuum cleaner had to be disassembled for parts and everything was thoroughly washed and then dried, because every time it was turned on, it again spat fine dust, horror (although it still works after that wash). Just turn it on and there is such a cloud around ... We bought Thomas. Karcher wanted, did not find the right model. So, Thomas collected all this creepy dust and did not spit. The water in the bucket was changed - it was there from the dust, like sour cream, horror, I never thought that there was SO MUCH dust ... And how great it is for them to wash the tiles! And it is convenient that with a bucket (in my opinion) - I washed the bucket, wiped it with a rag vacuum cleaner - and everything is clean. If washed, I add "Mr. prop" to the water. I wash the HEPA filter periodically. The disadvantage is severe. It is likely that it will be bad to skate on carpets (I don’t know, I only have a rug at the doorstep).
Lenusya
I also have Thomas Twin TT. Rides very well on carpets. Washes and cleans carpets wonderfully
I didn't wash the HEPA filter, I thought it would not dry out, it would smell unpleasant, I buy new ones. try to wash.
Lina, are you washing the HEPA filter with detergent or powder?
Janet
So I'm thinking of buying a Thomas Twin TT, please persuade me not so much as my husband, I beg you!
musyanya
I have a washing Phillips, a good one, even washing windows, but again very bulky and heavy, after washing all the parts you lay out on the floor and you stumble over them. Stored in the wall (in the closet), and if there is a pantry, then great. There wasn’t enough money for Thomas, and I’m not disappointed with Phillips at all.
Janet
Can you use the Philips model?
lina
Lenusya, I wash - or rather, mine - with ordinary liquid soap, and knock on the edge of the sink to knock more dust out of it. I rinse for a long time under running water, shake it off and attach it to a heated towel rail or a radiator, now it's hot on the balcony. No smell, tested.
Smells inside the vacuum cleaner if closed undried. Therefore, it is kept with us with the lid ajar, the bucket has completely "settled" in the bathroom.
A wonderful vacuum cleaner, in my opinion. And wash and vacuum. Well, except that after cleaning it is too lazy to wash the bucket
Lenusya
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A wonderful vacuum cleaner, in my opinion. And wash and vacuum. Well, except that after cleaning it is too lazy to wash the bucket

, that's for sure.

Lina, thanks for the advice, I will try to wash my filter too.

Janet, Thomas Twin TT also washes windows, but I have never tried it.
Pani Olga
The real Hepa filter cannot be washed!
Replacement only!
This is all the slyness of the manufacturer. There is no Hepa, just an additional filter.
Check out which vacuum cleaners really catch fine dust, don't be so gullible about ordinary advertising!

Lenusya


The manufacturer Thomas recommends replacing the Hepa filter every six months, but they are not cheap, so you have to come up with other possibilities.
So there is no slyness of the manufacturer and there is no need to speak out so categorically, because on the site you indicated they sell vacuum cleaners of only two brands - it is not surprising that they are considered the best.Trust but verify

I am insanely happy with the quality of cleaning my vacuum cleaner, before buying I read quite a lot of information about vacuum cleaners, having shoveled more than a dozen sites.
Pani Olga
You do not understand, this site is products for allergy sufferers. And they can sell anything, even 20 brands, as long as they meet the requirements of their customers who are allergic to house dust.
If you are satisfied with the quality of cleaning - for God's sake. But we were talking about fine dust, your filter does not retain it.
Sorry for the harshness, if it was, it's just that my daughter has asthma and for us a vacuum cleaner is an essential item after the air cleaner. She will sleep at night in a dusty apartment - the next morning a runny nose, and I once again for the vacuum cleaner and a rag.
Do not be lazy, read this thread, and if you do not have allergies, God forbid you never know about it.

Lenusya
Of course, when a child suffers from asthma, a completely different approach is needed.

Unfortunately, I read from your link that there are no washing vacuum cleaners with HEpa filters: "Karcher does not have this.
And we could not find a washing vacuum cleaner with a real HEPA filter from other manufacturers ... "
For dry cleaning, the Thomas TWIN Aquafilter uses an aquafilter as a dust collector with a very high degree of purification of 99.99%.

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