Waist
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To help those choosing a Panasonic bread machine:
Comparison tables of Panasonic bread makers for the CIS and for Europe. (Waist)
WHERE and WHY plastic in Panasonic bread makers. (sazalexter)
Additional modes in Panasonic bread makers for Europe:

Mode: "Pastry / Brioche"

Quote: Gibus
Since some time ago I already reproduced this recipe in another x / p (and tried to thoroughly repeat Panasonic's Brioche mode in order to understand whether I need it or not), I can add a few details on the mode:

Leveling - 30min,
Kneading 1 - 25 min,
Pause (time for adding additional oil) - 12 min,
Kneading 2 - 8 min (added oil is mixed in),
Fermentation - 35min,
Wrinkle,
Proofing - 50 min,
Baking - 50 min.

I diligently repeated all this in my bread maker, after which I concluded that the mode was sharpened for strong imported flour with a high gluten content, which can be immediately kneaded intensively, without giving it time to swell, and get a good result.
I didn't like this method with Russian flour. It is better to do a short pre-mixing first and give the test a pause for autolysis for 30-50 minutes, and then according to the program. And then a well-developed gluten is obtained (the dough looks like melted cheese - very soft and floating, but, due to the gluten, it perfectly gathers into a bun) and a tender roll with downy crumb

As a result, I decided that I would do without the Brioche regime and did not buy a foreign Panasonic ...


Instructive and useful:

UNDERSTANDING BREAD IN HOMEMADE BREAD
MK on different koloboks from Tatiana-Admin:
Gingerbread man made from wheat flour.
Whole grain flour gingerbread man.
Gingerbread man made from wheat and rye flour.
Gingerbread man made of wheat flour with multigrain grit and flakes.


Most plain bread in a Panasonic bread maker:

Simplest wheaten bread:

Panasonic SD-255. White bread (Lika)

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Panasonic SD-2502. Plain white bread
(Ana-stasy)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Panasonic SD-2501. Wheat bread for every day.
(Brads)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Panasonic SD-255. French bread
(Lika)


Simplest wheat-rye bread:

Darnitsa bread from fugaska (Lola)

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Bread "For every day" (bread maker)
(Olga 5)


Rye-wheat bread:

Khlebushek Borodinsky "Love from the first crumb" (multicooker Redmond RMS-02)
(mamusi)
Rye bread "Without nothing" (oven, bread maker, slow cooker)
(Gasha)


50/50

Black universal bread

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Panasonic 2502 Darnitsky bread
(SValeriya)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Wheat-rye 50x50 bread with live yeast (bread maker)
(Rina)
Wheat-rye bread "Capital" (bread maker)
(fugaska)


Wholegrain

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)100% whole grain bread with seeds
(Paillette)


Leavened

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Sourdough milk bread
(klera1563)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Sourdough rye-wheat bread.
(irga)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Borodino bread, according to the recipe of 1939
(Mikulishna)

If it turns out sour
Quote: MariV
I read somewhere, I don't remember where, - so that there is no sour taste, it is better to add a bit of fresh yeast to the sourdough dough. I began to add - not because the leaven is too weak - everything is fine with that. Indeed, the taste has improved.


General sections with recipes:

The simplest bread (according to bread machine models)
Rye bread recipes.
Wheat and rye bread recipes.
Rye Wheat Yeast Bread
Sourdough wheat bread



Miscellaneous auxiliary:
How and what is the smallest bread that can be baked in a Panasonic bread maker.
Rye in a bread maker, if there is no such function
"Warm" rise of the test in the Panasonic SD-2501 service mode
About pre-mixing in Panasonic.
Time table of processes in Panasonic 2501
Preparation of seeds, grains, fruits, berries for laying in bread dough
We cook our own whole wheat flour and flour of the 1st and 2nd grade
Atsatan (fermented milk bio-leaven for baking bread in the oven)

Recipes discussed in the topic:


Whey and beer bread. (rustle)

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Whole Grain Bio Atsatan Bread
(elena20888)

Sponge cake in a Panasonic bread maker. (Annusya)
Recipe for the French Regime. (fffuntic)
French loaf / baguette in HP. (Mandraik Ludmila)
"Norwegian Rye Bread" (Irinkanur)
Norwegian rye bread with a change. (Marisha Aleksevna)
Curd bun in a bread maker. (Yana)
Roll with cottage cheese in accordance with GOST
Rye-wheat with sourdough. (Sedne)
Wheat bread "smaller than small" in a standard form / bucket. (Countryman)
Dough for dumplings in Panasonic. (Countryman)
Bread croutons (different). (mamusi)
Wheat bread on not strained whey - an option for HP (mamusi)

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Bread "With the world on a string" in a Panasonic bread maker.
(mamusi)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Bread "With the world on a string" - 2, in a Panasonic bread maker.
(mamusi)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Pineapple pie (for a group of friends from Temka Panasonic 25 ...)
(mamusi)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Curd cake with cranberries / raisins in a bread maker.
(Waist)
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)Bread "Onion" in a Panasonic bread maker.
(Thumbelina)

Kulich Masterpiece
Explanations (gala10)
Performed by (mamusi)
With changes (Rituslya)
Kulich "Royal" on the automatic program in Panasonic. (Qween)
Citrus cake. (Marisha Aleksevna)
Quote: lappl1
I prepared the milk in a special way - ** tempered, that is, I first brought it to a boil, and then kept it at 90 * C for 30 minutes. Luda wrote about this method in her LJ. Baking with tempered milk is of high quality, has a long shelf life and does not stale. This is due to the fact that milk contains substances - thiols, which have a depressing effect on the formation of gluten. When milk is kept at 90 * C for 30 minutes, thiols are destroyed, and the dough is enriched with amino acids, sugars, proteins and fats contained in milk. I used this technique for the first time when baking cakes. And she was convinced of the validity of Luda's observations. The cakes turned out to be very lush, tall compared to cakes made with ordinary milk, and did not stale for a long time.
more about tempering and different methods


Okolokhlebnoe:

Theoretically about Low-yeast mode. (fffuntic)
"On a String to the World" - about 2nd grade flour. (fffuntic)
Using aged cottage cheese in bread dough


Technical:

WHERE and WHY plastic in Panasonic bread makers. (sazalexter)
Prevention of stability of the Panasonic bread machine. (Waist)


Miscellanea :

HOW TO INSERT PHOTOS AND PICTURES CORRECTLY
Inverted photos from phones and tablets

Quote: Yarik
Natalia, sort of like hold the phone horizontally, with the camera button under your right hand, I have been photographing this way lately, while there were no shifters.
Quote: Waist
When photographing with a tablet, I have a shutter button in the form of a picture of a small camera, which flips over every one and must be observed so that it is exactly straight, and not sideways or upside down.
Preparation upside-down photos for uploading to the gallery in the same place on the tablet / phone.
Quote: Waist
The second photo was taken by turning the tablet vertically, well, it happens that it is needed vertically, in the gallery and on the photo hosting it was loaded lying on its side. Unfolding in the same place in the tablet did not give any result. And here any action in the studio (at least put a dot in the corner) and preservation - saved the photo correct for uploading to a gallery or photo hosting. Happened.
Loafs over avatars
Quote: Anchic
The number of loaves is assigned according to the number of posts in specialized topics (culinary).
I looked at your messages. There are 66 of them, and under your avatar you see the number 56. That is, 10 messages in chatting topics that are not counted in the status. And these 56 just affect the status. Newbies have 1 loaf, the next status is assigned when they reach 50 messages in the profile topics (kitchen appliances are also a profile topic). And the loaf becomes 2. This affects the ability to use private messages, the insertion of links, etc. To protect against spammers.
Links are not inserted
Quote: Sanyusha
The site does not allow to insert the link.
Quote: Creamy
you need 50 messages and you will be able to insert links, this is just protection from spammers.
Heating honey
Bees love honey very much # 85


Video (in different languages)

Bread with tomato juice, cheese and sun-dried (dried) tomatoes.



Mandraik Ludmila
Oh, I'm even the first!
SoNika
Prifet, everyone NaTalia, thank you for the invitation and attention, you always follow the topic and rejoice at the success of others, returned, ask Ases, who made the pizza dough, is it good here according to the recipe?
Wlad
Wow, although I'm not the first, but still arrived in time on the first page
I wish the author success and patience in this necessary and difficult task.


Added on Monday 27 Mar 2017 04:20 PM

Nika, I tried to make dough for thin pizza using the stove's book, it turned out awesome
mamusi
Waist, Natasha, thanks for the invitation, I will communicate with great pleasure :-)


Added Monday 27 Mar 2017 4:30 pm

Mandraik Ludmila, Lyudochka, have you bought a Panasonic?
SoNika
WLAD, thank you, I will, how are you in touch? How long did you nurture the dough, in time?
Omka
NikaVs,
I confirm
Thin pizza dough from the manual is very good both in work and in taste. Did exactly according to the instructions
SoNika
Olga, I don't have anything in the instructions, only the ingredients ... Lana went to do it in a proven way.
Mandraik Ludmila
mamusi, didn’t buy, I think so far you also made me think. There is a question, in the net they write a bowl with some kind of special coating, but is it better than Teflon? otherwise Teflon is scratched quickly by spices
mamusi
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
is it better than teflon?
It's the best!))) I love my Panasik, Luda!) :-)
I don't scratch anything ...
Mandraik Ludmila
mamusi, put another "+" in favor of this HP
Wlad
Buttercup, I will put in my five cents ... I use 2502 not so long ago, before that I had no idea what kind of animal it was and what it was eaten with I ordered the exact same model for my parents, they are just delighted ... Emotions from use are only positive
Omka
Nika,
What to do there? I left everything in a bucket, mode 20

Panasonic SD-ZB2502 manual

Roll out, chop, dry in the oven for a few minutes
Then the filling and cheese
Mandraik Ludmila
Girls, boys, can you say anything about the Panasonic SD-2510WTS, or is there a separate topic?
Waist
Buttercup, Here is something they wrote about 2510, take a look

Panasonic 2510

And further

Panasonic SD-2501WTS or Panasonic SD-2511
$ vetLana
Nika, I also like the pizza dough from the instructions for Panas.
SoNika
Olga, yeast needs a rise, otherwise it is not worth adding.
Mandraik Ludmila
I'm probably already tired of everyone here, but I'll ask, does the Panasonic SD-2510WTS have a diamond-fluoride bowl coating, and does the 2501 have the same?
SoNika
Svetlana, today I took a recipe here, in a different topic, the same ratio of products, but without yeast ... well ... they ate mine, the bellies fell off .. but I'm not happy, very thinly rolled out, in the recipe they write that from this number of 3 pizzas, well, I don’t know what size they have then, mini or something ..., in short, I did not like it. The stove has kneaded everything. I made 3 with different fillings, meat, with shrimps and 4 types of cheese, the aging time is different for everyone, and the result is the same - tough. and took Cheese, different, but it did not spread, but became rubber ..., for the first time this, maybe because I tried the "pizza" mode today. My are happy, if not strange. Next time I'll do it with kefir or with yeast

Omka, in this one there is also nothing about the proving time of this test. The instruction is different, the color version is from 2501
Waist
Quote: Mandraik Lyudmila
HP Panasonic SD-2510WTS has a diamond-fluoride coating of the bowl, while the 2501 has the same?
All models with 2500 have this coverage, I don't know about previous models.
My experience: my daughter picked out a loaf from a bucket with a FORK.But over 3 years of use, these scratches did not climb and did not peel off. They didn't affect anything



Posted Monday 27 Mar 2017 8:54 PM

Buttercup, These nuances of HP Panasonic are the same. You need to decide on the model. I remind you that 2500 does not suit you due to the lack of the "Rye" mode
Mandraik Ludmila
Natalia, I am now choosing from 2501 and 2510.
2510 - cheaper for some reason, couldn't find the difference in them yet, little data
fffuntic
Quote: NikaVS

Omka, in this one there is also nothing about the proving time of this test. The instruction is different, the color version is from 2501
Buttercup, just remember that Panasonic has the same programs for all models, almost the same. They do not change them, but only add new ones.
New stove = old features + new programs. European = generally cool, any

Well, I'm lying a little. In the very new ones, they have slightly modernized.As I understand it, we strengthened the main program and added one stroke.
Mandraik Ludmila
fffuntic, I will mature ...
$ vetLana
Nika, can pizza dough be without yeast? It's not tasty pizza.
Omka
Nika,
I have a Pizza mode in 2502, number 20, time 45 minutes
I always do it according to the recipe from the Thin Pizza book and on this program. Every time I am surprised, but yeast has time to fulfill its function
fffuntic
Nikusya, do it, honey, the layout in the pizza, as in the instructions, with yeast
And if you need a theoretical justification for this possibility, then ... yeast can be made to work from the first minute, if you heat the dough. An example is fast programs in Panasonic. There is just a double quantity of yeast.
You confuse "making it work" with maximum productivity and the accumulation of tasty substances in the dough.
There will be no maximum performance, let's take their number.
There will be no delicious bread dough - we take it by heating and strongly kneading the gluten with a short fermentation time. Vigorous kneading of the gluten will give a tender dough that is pleasant to the bite.
Yes ... in this test, the presence of a small baking is encouraged, but so as not to drop the yeast, because it will not have time to ferment and accumulate taste. Therefore, the addition of taste from the outside is just the right thing. You can give an improver - serum - a little.

And if my personal predilections. That dough in Panasika on pizza is tender due to kneading, yes. But I like the long-term bread version more, with long fermentation. Well, I'm such a fanatic



Added Monday 27 Mar 2017 7:55 PM

Buttercup!!!!
Stop. I read the instruction 2510 there is no scapula for rye !!!!! and 2501 has a rye blade. Maybe I’ll find something else.
Spatula only 2511
Marisha Aleksevna
Quote: NikaVS
I am currently choosing from 2501 and 2510.
2510 - cheaper for some reason, I could not find the difference in them yet
Lyudmila, in 2510 there is no dispenser and Rzhanoy program, but in 2501 there is. Therefore the price difference.
SoNika
Girls, I was surprised myself, but ... mlyn remember about the repairs I wrote, today on the way to the mag, I met a neighbor and froze with her for a long time, she was worried that they were going to sue her ... while she was calming her down, I realized that I now have time to make my own, so I took the highly praised recipe here yesterday TYeast-free pizza place "Flammkuchen from Alsace"

Perhaps this new flour has not played yet, although everything is ok in the bread, but here there are no shifts or increases at all, the only thing that coincided was that it rolled out perfectly.
$ vetLana
Quote: Marisha Aleksevna
Yeast-free pizza dough "Flammkuchen from Alsace"
Judging by the reviews, D. b. masterpiece
SoNika
Omka, you must try if you say that 45 m is enough
fffuntic
Buttercup,
2510 is 2500 in a new design + dopproga low-yeast bread. No rye bread !!! She categorically does not suit you.
2511 analogue with 2501 + low-yeast bread.
2512 - like 2511, but only with a yeast dispenser - not suitable for you.

You only need 2501 or 2511, 2511 - one steeper program (there is a low yeast)

Quote: Waist
fffuntic, Len, and 2502?
Quote: NikaVS
Natalya, she immediately told her thundering, 2501 (you can probably 2511)
2512 and 2502, number 2 - indicates a yeast dispenser. 2502 - without low-yeast bread, 2512 - updated 2502 with doppog.

It fits according to the programs, there is rye, but it will rattle. So they are not needed, which with 2
SoNika
Svetlan, forgive me, I'm stupid with the disorder ... I can't get out in any way .. I keep rolling down perdically. I'm going to read.


Added Monday 27 Mar 2017 8:04 PM

fffuntic, Flax, hands itched, add serum, but decided to follow the instructions nonche, but kneaded and left for 30 minutes to approach ... alas
$ vetLana
Nika, make according to Panas recipe, very tasty pizza dough.
fffuntic
Quote: NikaVS

pizza without yeast "Flammkuchen from Alsace" [/ b]
Ingredients
Flour 200 g
Vegetable oil 2 tbsp. l.
Water 125 ml
Salt
Perhaps this new flour has not played yet, although everything is ok in the bread, but here there are no shifts or increases at all, the only thing that coincided was that it rolled out perfectly.
Well, explain to me, pliz, what can be a masterpiece of dumplings?
Well, girls, just plain dough, slightly flavored with sunflower oil.
If done warm - generally a tough gum, if done correctly with cooling in ice water, then just soft to the bite.
The only thing, well, yes ..thin soft gingerbread. If you call it a masterpiece, then I'm a pass

Nika, I repeat .. yeast works from the first minute. So do it, don't doubt
Waist
Buttercup, ...
You only need 2501 or 2511
That's it, Buttercup, we have chosen the bread maker for you
SoNika
Quote: $ vetLana
make Panas recipe, a delicious pizza dough.
, aha then ..., as the Countryman noticed, that everything in the manual has already been tested and brought to mind.
Buttercup happy acquisition.

Linen, I thought so too, but after all I tupanula, after reading the reviews and risked ... I didn’t think to cool it ...

Goodbye to everyone.
Mandraik Ludmila
fffuntic, prices go up, with further promotion of choice
Elena1908
Good evening everyone. Buttercup. I have 2511. There is a dispenser for nuts and dried fruits. 28 programs. Rye wheat bread is baked. Even a cupcake mixed with poppy seeds. Everything turns out gorgeous. I do not regret that I changed redmond for her. )))
fffuntic
Buttercup, if you sneeze on a program of low-yeast bread, then 2501 is enough for the eyes. Well, of course, I just breathe unevenly towards Panasik, as the new program will show - my eyes light up.
And if the wheat bread does not care, then this low-yeast and not really needed. And if not lazy with dancing, then you can combine it on other programs.

But as a fan of Panasik, I cannot dissuade you from buying new items. The stove is made with high quality, it is taken for years. This overpayment will be repaid. But then again ... ask others. Well, I'm like a fox in a chicken coop - I can't refuse a single chicken - a program.


Added Monday 27 Mar 2017 09:36 PM

People, praise low-yeast or scold.
Is it worth overpaying for it?
SoNika
I don’t know ... I’m over 2501
Wit
Quote: fffuntic
and 2501 has a rye blade
... which will soon bend and the owners discard this comb and use a normal paddle happily ever after
fffuntic
Nikus, Sun. You don't have this program. And there is no main program with filling
We already know that you love 2501 dearly, but wait until the owners of 2511-2512 tell you about their programs, which you and I don't have.
Buttercup has a question. Let her fully realize whether she needs it
Elena1908
Funtik. I didn't bake on low-yeast. Baked French. I liked it very much. But soon I will try and tell you.
I bake rye bread all the time. The scapula is not bent. I bake bread with small pores.

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)
Anchic
Quote: Wit
which will soon bend and the owners discard this comb and use a normal spatula happily ever after

I have been using this scallop for 2.5 years now - I have not bent and is not going to.
SoNika
Elena1908, trail from a scallop?
Wit
So these owners were simply out of luck. However, I recall that they did not write that they were kneading. If dumplings dough, then they could bend. After all, they posted pictures and swore.
fffuntic
Vital, I understand that 2500 is the very best and without this scallop
and I mnu my 253 with Italian - the ultimate dream

but Buttercup they don't fit, no matter how much we love them
Wit
I’m not campaigning for 2500. I’m just telling you what I know.
fffuntic
By the way, my 253 has both a scallop and a rye mode. But I got the impression that the newer model is still better. By some percentage, and the result at 2501 was slightly better. This one warms more roughly, kneads more indelicately. The truth is less critical to drafts.
For the sake of the Italian regime, anyway, I will not exchange it for a Russian one, but for a European one I would change without looking.
Wit
What a blessing that the Italian regime is on the drum for me. Helen, I sympathize with you so much

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