Pannochka
Hello, help me pzhalusta will decide on the choice of the countertop in the kitchen, but now on the market such a choice I am completely confused
crazyfox
If possible, then natural oak, on it and cut where it is convenient and after five years to change
Caprice
Countertop - is this a countertop in kitchen furniture? If yes, then granite is best.
crazyfox
On granite "-"

The price of the th
You can't cut it with a knife (hana knife)
Cold
And cymbals shatter 99.9% with a small impact

+
Easy to care for
Be afraid of hot

IHMO
Rita
I have laminate flooring. Already 8 years have passed, and it is almost like new. To find defects acquired during this time, you need to diligently search. Better with a magnifying glass and floodlighting.
It is not afraid of the hot, but it is better not to cut with a knife - when pressed strongly with a very sharp knife, scratches remain.
shade
Peace be with you bakers!
I on Saturday at the construction market saw a countertop from
CERAMO-GRANITE. the price is between oak and granite, but it looks
sumptuously. I really don't know how she's at work salesman of course
praised but he clearly needs to sell.
eh, if I had where to attach the countertop kitchen 4.7 meters
smile broadly and you can't reach the walls with your cheeks
Pannochka
Thanks everyone for the answers
We mainly offer laminate flooring (of different quality and manufacturers) Rita and whose laminate you have in terms of manufacturer
artificial stone but it really is sooooo expensive
and the coating is made of artificial stone, but it is also not cheap, and in the workshop they said that about 1 percent out of 100 ordered it, they prefer to change the laminate more often
I really liked the countertop in which the sink is glued from the same material (as the seller explained to me) she called this acrylic coating can anyone have this? share your impressions !!!!
For some reason, the Dubovs were not offered to me
Z. Y. Sorry for the messy writing style
Caprice
Quote: pashka_fox

On granite "-"
The price of the th
You can't cut it with a knife (hana knife)
Cold
And cymbals shatter 99.9% with a small impact
+
Easy to care for
Don't be afraid of the hot
IHMO
Why cut into granite? For this, there are cutting boards. And then, it is better to let the khan's knife than the working surface, which will deteriorate from this knife. It is more expensive and designed to last longer. Why do you need a surface that deteriorates from knives? The manufacturers themselves did not advise me on acrylic coating, saying that it is quite fragile. And the kitchen exists in order to work on it, and not to shake from scratches. It should be practical, easy to clean, not afraid of temperatures and scratches. Therefore, it is better to pay more once than to constantly change.
crazyfox
It is more pleasant to work on wooden countertops, it is not always convenient to tinker with boards, knives sometimes cost $ 600 apiece (what is better to change?)
If you are interested, look at James Oliver, Vysotskaya (and in general, rarely does any of the pros work on marble (porcelain stoneware there is mostly stainless steel)
Rita
Pannochka, I cannot tell you the manufacturer. To be honest, my kitchen is far from the most expensive. But nevertheless, the countertop looks great. I think that I will only replace it with the kitchen furniture. 8 years is a long time. And the time is not far off when I get tired of old furniture, and I will replace it along with the countertop.
If, of course, you are going to buy kitchen furniture and use it for the rest of your life, then only granite.
Caprice
You see, at this point in my life, I also do exactly the same thing that change the work surface in my kitchen. And I also went to workshops and shops. In my life, I managed to visit stainless steel, and a wooden tabletop, and a plastic tabletop, and a stone.For myself, I managed to conclude that stone is the most convenient, durable and hygienic material for the kitchen. If someone is lazy to use cutting boards for their own convenience, this does not at all mean that the stone is bad and the knives are dull (by the way, the most expensive and sophisticated knife made of some drop dead steel costs 500 shekels, the average price of a knife is from 20 nis and above and the work surface for the kitchen is NIS 800-1500 per linear meter. It is worth considering which is easier to change if necessary). Wood, plastic and laminate - they quickly fail, scratches and stripes remain on the stainless steel over time. Acrylic surface - stains and not too environmentally friendly. Some light grades of natural stone, like the one I have in my kitchen today, also sometimes have stains that are absorbed. Therefore, for myself, I concluded that granite is the most convenient and durable. But it is also more expensive.
If you plan to change your work surface every couple of years, or do not cook too much in the kitchen, then order what is easier and cheaper for you. Or, think over what is more convenient, practical and better for you personally.
Boo Boo
But it should be remembered that sometimes natural stones have a finely porous surface, and often traces of fats and wine remain on them forever. So, we recommend stopping your choice on a table with a table top made of artificial stone. These countertops are made of axilan, crystallite, varicor, corian and other types of stones. Of course, such countertops are better than natural counterparts. Many artificial rocks are based on sand, acrylic, quartz and some binders. In this regard, products made from unnatural stones can withstand heat up to 300 degrees.
Maybe instead of granite, an artificial stone is better?
Caprice
Quote: BooBoo

But it should be remembered that sometimes natural stones have a finely porous surface, and often traces of fats and wine remain on them forever. So, we recommend stopping your choice on a table with a table top made of artificial stone. These countertops are made of axilan, crystallite, varicor, corian and other types of stones. Of course, such countertops are better than natural counterparts. Many artificial rocks are based on sand, acrylic, quartz and some binders. In this regard, products made from unnatural stones can withstand heat up to 300 degrees.
Maybe instead of granite, artificial stone is better?

Boo Boo, you are not careful: I already wrote that some natural stones leave stains that are absorbed into their surface and about non-ecological acrylic and other artificial compounds. What do you think, how do all these natural components, like sand, quartz and so on, are connected in an artificial stone? That's right, chemistry ... From which, personally, I have a wild allergy. By the way, laminates and plastics are from the same non-ecological opera. Some surfaces are melamine based. Do I need to tell how many people, and in particular babies, were recently poisoned with melamine in China?
Don't forget the kitchen is for cooking. And this is related to health ...
LenaV07
And granite has a background radiation ... That's such health
LenaV07
Caprice
LenaV07, the Geiger counter showed that within the normal range


Deposits are different, moreover, granite is intended for exterior finishing work. And what is “within the normal range” outside may turn out to be significantly “over” inside ...

We have already survived the Chernobyl accident We are former Kievites.

I, too, firsthand, unfortunately, I know about this ... I left Kiev in November 1986. It is likely that in Israel they are much more responsible for the safety of building materials, but we have .... How many cases when they find out that granite chips have been added to the concrete and the radiation level is off scale. And they find residents who are endlessly ill ...
But I do not insist on anything, as they say - IMHO
kolynusha
The advantage of artificial and natural stone, in addition to durability, is that over time you can call a master for polishing and after that the tabletop shines and sparkles like new. Well, they are beautiful.
Quote: Caprice

On some light grades of natural stone, like the one I have in my kitchen today, stains sometimes remain that are absorbed.

Caprice, and after what products do you have stains? Interestingly, stains remain on the artificial stone?
Boo Boo
Quote: kolynusha

Interestingly, stains remain on the artificial stone?
I read that no. These are the problems of natural materials.
kolynusha
BooBoo, do you have an artificial stone countertop? Does it have any disadvantages during operation? I am also choosing a kitchen at the moment. I have not yet decided on a natural or artificial stone.
Caprice
Often stains from coffee and some other products remain.
Boo Boo, stains and scratches also remain on light types of artificial stones. Artificial stone is not as durable. I saw it from my friends ... But those who have granite are all very happy.
Boo Boo
kolynusha, Caprice I have no countertop at all. I just studied the reviews on the internet some time ago.
Caprice
Boo Boo, and I have it made of natural stone, and not at all what I would like. It's just that when the kitchen was remodeled, it turned out that the old one was a bit short, moreover, it cracked. And now I need to buy a new one, longer and better. I don't want to finish the piece, it will look like a patch. I did not study on the Internet, but talked with friends, went to workshops for stone finishing, etc. So I draw conclusions now, based on my own experience, the experience of friends and the recommendations of manufacturers. By the way, speaking of artificial stone, the manufacturers themselves said that it should be handled with great care, because traces and scratches remain. When I lived in Kiev, I had at first a wooden one, then a plastic one, then a stainless steel one. I will simply keep silent about the first two: they are not worth words. Stainless steel - it looks like a general food, for this purpose it is intended to be scrubbed with bleach. A good quality stone is the best option.
dopleta
My light Corian countertop with a glued sink of the same color and quality is 3 years old. And, since the order was expensive (the kitchen is large), the manufacturer also presented us with a large cutting board made of the same material. Can you imagine how often I use it? And not a single spot, not a single scratch! Since there are no pores and cracks in corian, as in natural stone, it is impossible to stain it - nothing is absorbed. I put hot pots and pans straight from the stove and nothing happens. Everything that is written in praise of the artificial stone has been confirmed in my experience.
Caprice
dopleta, could you put a photo of a fragment of this tabletop of yours?
Scarecrow
I just didn't close the dishwasher right there and ukantrapupuyu my countertop with streams of steam. The table top is ordinary, laminated, although it was expensive, German. She is already five years old. At that time, in Tula, there was nothing else, or an exclusive, which was worth money - you can't pronounce Russian.
In general, my countertop swelled just above the dishwasher. Then, when the seals worn out by the dishwasher, the final skiff came to her, and literally in a month. Change now. By the way, for those who have a dishwasher - a real problem. Laminate countertops are very likely to suffer from steam.

Girls, how much does a granite countertop weigh ?! My kitchen won't collapse under it? ...
Rezlina
dopleta, I also have a countertop, and a wall panel, and a sink, and boards, and coasters for hot dishes, and the table itself, and the Corian sill, I don’t remember how old all this is, the color of "sugar", it seems to me the most like
Before that there was a laminated tabletop and a table ... of course, no comparisons ... swollen, and the Corian is still as good as new
Yes, there is also an ashtray, and a picture ... I like this pebble with its variety of colors
dopleta
Caprice please:

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Table top
dopleta
And here's a closer look:

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Table top
dopleta
Yes, by the way - another interesting moment: when I studied the advantages of this tabletop in the salon, the managers put a lit cigarette on it. She lay there until she went out. When it was removed, a small yellow stain remained, which was immediately wiped off without a trace with an ordinary rag!
mish
Quote: dopleta

when I studied the merits of this countertop in the salon,

Please tell me what kind of salon it is (I'm wondering if there is something like this in St. Petersburg, since I have never heard of such countertops) and the approximate cost of a running meter of a countertop.
dopleta
Mish, I ordered it together with the kitchen in the Mirella salon. This was more than three years ago, so I might be wrong in the price, but, in my opinion, the entire tabletop cost about $ 1,700. That is, and its total length is about 4 m.
mish
Thank you very much for the information! I understood correctly - was it the cost of the countertop only, and not the countertop along with the kitchen? I am interested in details, because the length of my kitchen will also be something about 4.5 meters.
Caprice
dopleta, thanks for the pictures. This is something similar to what I was offered, even the same color. True, we call it keesar. Still, I want to try to get granite for the price of a caesar
dopleta
Yes, mish, that's right - that's the cost of the countertop. It can, of course, be ordered separately, without a kitchen. And I advise you to conduct a marketing research - such countertops are already made in many salons, and you can probably choose the most affordable one. By the way, there is also a very nice artificial stone for countertops - montelli, which is almost indistinguishable from Corian in quality, and the price is much lower. He was also offered to me in Mirella.
kolynusha
Does anyone, or your acquaintances, have a white artificial stone countertop, Montelli Ultra, without splashes. Maybe not this company. How does it behave during operation?
Glucose
I have an Antarrid faux stone countertop and I really like it. Beautiful and practical, no complaints at all, a hundred times better than mdf countertops, since I already have 4 kitchen sets, I am experienced in this matter. So artificial stone is now relevant.
Kara
I will fully support Larisa dopleta, no tree! Only a stone, and artificial. And in principle you can cut on it. I don’t cut, but if there are people who don’t accept cutting boards, then in two or three years the stone will simply need to be sanded, and again like new. The wood, whatever it may be, damp from water, deteriorate and after a couple of years you need to change the tabletop
Tarantella
Girls, tell me please, how and most importantly with what (what detergents) do you care for your countertops made of artificial stone? I have a small problem - it "sticks" to the touch ... Very unpleasant. I have a korean countertop (sorry if I didn't write it correctly), cherry color, 6 years old.
Kara
Tarantella, I finally don’t bother, once a week my Domestos (I finally moved on clean), the main thing - then rinse well. No problem!
Kirks
I have a white artificial stone countertop. I expected more, take a long time to wipe off the stains, there were scratches. The countertop was a year old, it was not cheap, I still feel sorry for money to change. We think to polish it. Maybe the quality is just bad
Tarantella
Quote: Kara

Tarantella, I finally don’t bother, once a week my Domestos (I finally moved on clean), the main thing - then rinse well. No problem!
Thank you! I'll try, it can really help. Do you dilute domestos or concentrated on a sponge?
Kara
I wash the sink with a sponge with domestos, with the same sponge I wash the entire countertop. Then I wash it thoroughly with water
Varnika
Quote: Caprice

Often stains from coffee and some other products remain.
Boo Boo, stains and scratches also remain on light types of artificial stones. Artificial stone is not as durable. I saw it from my friends ... But those who have granite are all very happy.
Yes, I agree.A friend ordered herself a light countertop made of artificial stone, it can be said from her white. And on her countertop you can see traces of coloring food. Especially from beets, stains remain. The rest of the tabletop is excellent, it looks great. Therefore, I also ordered from an artificial stone, but a dark one (artificial stone Antarrid). And now I am happy, the stains are not noticeable, I wipe it with a cloth dipped in soapy water. Once, the truth was washing with a spray bottle for windows and adding a drop of peroxide there, it cleans everything well from microcracks. Directly such a reaction on the table I had))) But the countertop at least that. Clean became)))
Glucose
Varnika, and did you give a guarantee for Antarrid? If suddenly a chip or crack appears, will they replace it? And you yourself, in the process of use, as you noticed, is a durable stone? And now, if the import is closed completely, then it will be necessary to choose among the domestic, I want to orient myself a little. We did not have time to finish the repairs at pre-crisis prices, now we are going to revise everything, shrink. So I want to squeeze on quality goods, so I'm interested.
Kara
My countertop is corian, almost white. Bright vegetables are colored, but it is enough to walk with a sponge with any detergent, everything is washed off easily. But with a dark countertop there is more trouble (a friend has an "ebony" color), any speck is visible, even water stains remain
Varnika
What is Corian? As for the dark, yes, in life I had to make sure that the dark, it is impractical and easily soiled, unlike the white, it would seem ...
dopleta
Quote: Varnika
What is Corian?
Corian is an artificial stone from DuPont ™. "Artificial stone kitchen countertops are perhaps the most common use for Corian. It is in the kitchen that all the advantages of artificial stone are needed. Thanks to the non-porous structure, any stains can be easily removed from the surface of the kitchen countertop. Only the use of artificial Corian stone avoids joints and seams between parts of the kitchen worktops, which additionally allows you to avoid the formation of fungus and dirt. Corian maintainability makes kitchen countertops forever, which is why DuPont gives Corian a 10-year warranty "(c). Several more years have passed, my countertop is like new tyts.
Varnika
Is this American stuff? Are there no supplies now, or is there production in Russia? To be honest, I am in favor of a Russian manufacturer, besides for the price, the stone that I installed (anatrrid) is cheaper than Corian. The quality is not bad, at least I have not yet been offended and not upset with him.
dopleta
The company is American, but, of course, the stone is not brought from there, but produced on the spot.
kolobashka
Girls need a consultation. Now busy looking for a countertop. Several firms cheated me from 41 to 72 thousand. This is still preliminary data. I think I should go to see the material in nature, otherwise the photo perception of my devices does not match.
Such a question: is the countertop completely stone or glued to plywood? They told me about plywood only in 2 out of 7 places.
Cvetaal
Varvara, I have a countertop made of artificial stone (Stylish kitchens), the thickness of the "stone" itself is about 3-4 or 5 mm, glued to a chipboard, 5 cm thick, this chipboard is not visible anywhere, everything is doused with stone, since 2009 the flight is normal

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