Tabletop ovens, stoves ...

I think 95% of them are like that. There is the remaining 5%, but I don't know how to find them.

I have a tabletop Delongy. All recipes, which indicate the oven at 180, bake at its declared 200. I invest in time. With its 180 it was baked for 15-20 minutes longer.

[sweetka]

sweetka, even with an increase in temperature, it still bakes longer, not 30-40 minutes. there 190 is declared for baking, and these 190 correspond to 250. But how can I calculate other recipes. The old one baked beautifully ... I also consulted with the technologist, she says, this is a marriage of the oven. it should be stronger than the oven, But no less at 200 degrees.

I've baked rolls in the morning. Three times for 20 minutes. And one remained unsuccessful, I put it on to bake and stuck a thermometer for the sake of interest. So he did not show above 180 in 20 minutes. And also the door is not very tight, so closer to the edge the temperature is even lower. Where a higher temperature is needed, I just put a baking sheet under the uppermost heating element.

[sweetka]

sweetka, Light, took to the store, refused to return the money or change. They said they would send it to the manufacturing plant, and there they would either repair it or change it. Now we just have to wait. Whoever I talked to should not be so, especially since the manufacturer states in the instructions that baked goods are baked at 190 degrees for 30-40 minutes. The old one baked the same, As expected.

I assume that almost all stoves now have the same coarse temperature controllers.

[Creamy]

Creamy, in all not in all, I don’t know .... Just how many reviews I read about the Delta in the internet, everyone is happy with it. Many people write about Indesit, that there is a problem, not a stove ...
An acquaintance in this store works, she said she had the same, everything is fine. So it turns out in my factory marriage. I'll wait two weeks for what they say. It turns out that at 220 it baked for 2 hours. So it's not just the temperature sensor ... Well, they won't be able to repair it, so why will I adapt, it's not torture to try. If the firm cares about its name, they will correct it. It's a pity of course the money, and again you have to run to the mother-in-law across the road when there are orders for the biscuit.

Damn, it dawned on me that you wanted to emphasize that she bakes for two hours at any temperature. This is definitely a marriage. But do not get upset ahead of time! Is the stove under warranty?

[sweetka]

sweetka, but the point is that the guarantee ... they refuse to change it in the store, like this is a technically complex product. And in the law on consumer protection, it is written that if there is a defect, marriage, then within 15 days must return. I don’t know what to do .... we wrote a statement, they said that they would send it to the manufacturer, for examination, they would either repair or change it.

[Alenka83]

Alenka83, and two weeks have passed or not? something I missed this moment ...

Flax, well, the situation is certainly nervous, but not fatal! Well, you will wait for the due date of this very examination and they will send you a wonderful, unbroken oven! and you will bake in it for your pleasure. Do not be upset!

I checked 8 brands and even more ovens. Alas, they all lie and do not keep the set temperature. In most stoves I tested, the temperature at the specified 100 degrees was actually 150-160 degrees. I assumed that the quality of modern household appliances is deteriorating, but so much so! More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=9411.0

Alevtina, I agree. that the temperature of many ovens is not maintained, the only question is, who checked the accuracy of the readings of your thermometer, and the correctness of the measurement sometimes raises a lot of complaints. This is a separate topic ...

[Aygul]

Aygul, no, it's only been a week.As one lawyer told me, if they do not want to exchange voluntarily according to the law, then only through the court. And the court is additional money, just buy a new one, if after the examination they still do not change ...

[Elena]

Elena, of course, it is fundamentally wrong that they do not want to exchange for a new one. But if you have already decided everything ... Most likely they will change to a new one after examination.

[Aygul]

Aygul, I still hope that they will be repaired or changed. My dad's car was so defective, it was changed after an examination. Well, just sue for 2400, meaning, more money will go to this court, now there is neither time nor money for this. So I'll wait. It's a pity that in our country laws are only on paper.

At the end of July, I chose a desktop (wall) stove. I got acquainted with your site. I've been reading you for the second month. Thank you for the new things that I learned thanks to you. As a result, I chose the Rommelsbacher BG1805 / E Oven for 40 liters, but they also have a smaller displacement. I didn't find any reviews about her here, so I'll leave my own. The oven bakes very well, heats up instantly, cools down quickly, the body is not very hot during operation, the glass is double, you can unscrew, remove, wash (there is in the instructions). The firm is German, made in China, but very soundly, there is nothing to complain about in terms of the quality of execution. I am on the horoscope "Libra", imagine how I was given this choice, but I am very pleased with this thing, and I consider it worthy of consideration.

I also choose a stove, I can't even decide on the size. I want to bake bread. They said there was a problem with the steam. What if you replace it with a cap? Who tried it? And who has not tried it, let's express our opinion. I suppose you can arrange a baking stone and a bell, but probably if the dimensions of the oven fit. Your opinion?

[neltibet]

neltibet, I bake bread "without kneading", there, according to the technology, the blank is put into a heated cast-iron or any thick-walled dish with a lid, so that at first it is baked with steam in a closed container. It turns out very successful bread. For workpieces from 500 gr. flour needs a stove with a volume of 40 liters, less will be small.

Hello everyone. I read you and also caught fire. As a result, I bought Simfer 4213. What a beauty she is. Of all the bells and whistles, only the skewer is missing, it can be easily replaced by the grill. It works in 6 modes, the temperature sensor is from 40 to 250. It has convection, lighting, this is not mentioned in any description on the World Wide Web. It doesn't get very hot. A pleasant bonus, in addition to the usual tray and grate, was a round tray with a diameter of 40 cm and high sides of 4.5 cm.

[Mafits]

Mafits, yes cool thing and good volume. Culinary masterpieces for you!

[Mafits]

Mafits, tell me, the door fits snugly to the stove, one glass in the door or double, the walls are very hot or not ??? I also look closely at this stove.

[selena]

selena Thank you

wzik there is only one glass, the back wall and the door are very hot, the hand suffers sides. The snake fits tightly, it is trimmed with a seal.
Here is a photo for clarity.

[Mafits]

Mafits, Thank you!!! Looks original !!!

As a result, I bought Simfer 4213

liked the shape of your Simfer
and the fact that there is a top + bottom mode without convection

[Mafits]

Mafits,
Don't tell me external and internal dimensions Simfer 4213? And how much does the bulge bulge out behind? Is there a crumb tray?

I choose a stove. The circle narrowed down to two Simfer 4257 (42L) and Rommelsbacher 1550 (30L). In the symphony, the shape is embarrassing, it’s flattened, I’m somehow closer to the square, when the size of the stove goes "high". Do you think the whole chicken will come in? Or how is it better to arrange a whole chicken in it? It's a pity there is no twirling in it, in 4257. The functionality of the stove is more than satisfying, the thermostat inside is displayed in the form of a pin in the wall, which means that the temperature must be clearly supported, control of buttons + screen. There is a separate function for yogurt.


Romelbacher likes the same, according to pictures in the internet and feedback selenа... Another would be more details to tell and add photos.
The German has many control modes for heating elements and convection. Double glass.
The lower temperature seems to be from 40 degrees.On foreign sites I found reviews that the temperature does not correspond to the declared one. I read this thread, similar jambs in different models are found and even in the staff. Probably depends on a specific instance, the temperature may not coincide by 10-20-30 degrees. How lucky you are.
The German walls are completely enameled inside. The back of the simfer is "naked", the rest are coated. Consider the prices the same.
Outwardly, I did not see both. In technosile, I felt the simfer 36 liters simpler, not very impressed. 4257 the top model is nice in the pictures. Stuck on the size.

Mafits, and another moment interests. How does your door open? Is it fully reclining or is there an intermediate fixation?
At Romelbacher at intervals. I called and recognized. I watched the stove Ariette 975 in it the door is fixed well - you can open it a little - the door does not fall, by more and by half.
And how long does Simfer have an official guarantee? Romelbacher is 1 year old. If it does not make it difficult, look in the documentation out of the box, usually they write the addresses of service centers. How many pieces are there in Moscow? I did not find the info in the internet, it was dull. Even instructions for other models did not come across, I would have looked there.

[ne_peku]

ne_peku, Simfer 4257, I also considered buying, but unfortunately in the city I did not find it with us, and I would not have the patience to order via the Internet. I was really impatient😊.
As for the door, there is no intermediate fixation. The chicken will come in while standing, but yesterday I baked it by cutting it in the breast and opening it like a book on the wire rack.

Hello hostesses!
I have a difficult question for you) We bought today a mini-oven Steba KB 23 in an internet store. It turned out to be very beautiful - so that I don't want to part with it. BUT! Instead of the declared 1500 watts, it takes only 1000 watts from the outlet. Which, in itself, is a very significant consumer deception (Measurements were made with a digital outlet wattmeter. For the purity of the experiment, the power was measured on a microwave with a grill. Everything is fair, more than two kilowatts.
A lot has been written about the differences in the capacities of those written on the bodies of household appliances and in reality. Here: 🔗 even in relation to stoves. But, there are discrepancies of a maximum of 10-12%, but by no means a third (((
Accordingly, the question: What are your opinions - is it worth trying to use this stove (only 1000 W for 23 liters) or with pain in your soul))) try to refuse it and buy a similar one from another manufacturer (Ariette, Severin, etc.)?

Since the stove is already in your home, then test it on baking puffs. This is exactly what I did with the new tabletop stove, although it was bought for handicrafts, not baking. Puff pastry is sold everywhere and, most importantly, when baking, it does not "shoot" fat and will not spoil your appearance for the subsequent replacement of this oven with another. Test the stove in working mode and eat puffs.

[000]

000, from what you wrote, I did not understand anything, but ... I have a stove of 40 liters and the declared capacity is 1800, and you have 23 liters - maybe 1000 is enough? The most important thing, in my opinion, is that it quickly heats up and keeps the set temperature. No?

[000]

000, according to Stebs we have a separate topic:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=379063.0
Do you have 23 IVFs or not? The ECO has a capacity of 1400, although the difference is still large
I should also check how much mine takes

There are no words about "Eco" anywhere - neither on the packaging, nor on the passport, nor on the stove itself.
I wrote about my case in English to the Shteba service center. I will wait a day or two for their answer. In the meantime, tomorrow I'll buy a thermometer and measure the temperature inside the oven.

... Steba KB 23 .... BUT! Instead of the declared 1500 watts, it takes only 1000 watts from the outlet ...

And in what mode were the measurements taken? If the mode is only "lower heating element" or it is, but with convection, then it could well show so.
Try to set the maximum mode of those that is - two heating elements + convection and check.
Or did you do that? And how many times it was measured - once at the beginning after switching on or several times by breaking the program into equal time intervals. For example, three measurements in 1 hour.And what kind of theme did they set? For good reason, the same maximum t should be set.
The heating elements each have their own power. And the declared power of the stove is the total from two working heating elements, plus a trifle in the form of convection and spit lighting. Maybe not everything is so bad in your staff.

Here in the subject there was a plate on Erissons with technical characteristics with the distribution of capacities:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9411.0

Steba 23.
The lower heating element is about 450 watts, the upper heating element is 550 watts. 10 watt light bulb, 10 more fan motor. Digital wattmeter 🔗 measures the power consumption continuously.
I measured it on three cycles. The first two times, for about 15 minutes, letting the stove burn (the sour smell of burnt PVC insulation on the wires was released) and then put inside a liter saucepan half filled with water for half an hour. By the way, the water never boiled in it. The maximum temperature was set on the regulator and two heating elements with convection were turned on.

Along the way: on Shteba, I was surprised by the silicone rubber band along almost the entire perimeter of the glass except for the very bottom. And, on the side - where the grill spit rests on the stationary part, this support is cut by a press from the very inside. the furnace body and bent inward. So, through this rather large cut and ventilation holes of the outer case, the external light is clearly visible, that is, inside the furnace itself there are no obstacles for heat transfer / air exchange with the external environment. Hot air there should be free to walk outside. And then the function of the silicone seal on the door is not entirely clear. Just so that the door doesn't slam? ))) Or simply, such sophisticated thermal insulation of just the top of the front of the oven?

Girls and boys, the question for you is also about power. Now I choose between the 42-liter redber 4290 and singer 4202 stoves, the first one just wins in power, it has 1800, and the simfer has 1400, like many Turkish models. Mafits writes about 1800 in her simfer 4213. Where is the truth? Maybe 4202 is also 1800 W? And if 1400 W at 42 liters, isn't it not enough? Everything in simfer attracts, that's who is interested: 42 liters, though large in width, temperature from 0 to 250, a bunch of modes and convection, backlighting, 2 baking sheets, one round, also Turkish as I wanted, I trust them more than the Chinese, on skeet they are the main ones. BUT these 1400 watts haunt me! Whether I am right or not, tell me, please! I can't go without an oven anymore! Many will understand me, I have a defective gas Hephaestus!

[neltibet]

neltibet, simfer 4202 beauty, when I chose mine, the most important was the size that would fit on the already existing shelf, so when it was brought I was a little upset because of its appearance, not glamorous at all, but after two bakes I fell in love with her as my own

[selenа]

selenа, isn't it a German? After 3 times reading, eyes are already in a pile, so do you think the same is for the same bread under the dome, for example? And then the redber is a little higher, a couple of cm. But what about the power? Is it enough for such a volume?

[neltibet]

neltibet, I have rommelsbacher 1805 for 40 liters, it is considered that the company is German, but they are made in China, when I called the representative company, they said that they were bringing them from Germany, so there is a double check in China and in Germany. I bought it in July. power 1800, enough for the eyes, it is high, in the picture on the spit 2 hens fit, but I don’t fry chickens in it, not on a grill or a frying pan, but a good large form for bread fits into it freely, but simfer 4202 is easy for me I liked the design, after you wrote about it, I found a picture on the Internet. sorry if I confused you.

[selenа]

selenа, yes, I myself got confused, you only help me. The appearance is no longer important to me, if only everything would work well, (by the way, 4213 looks very stylish, but it will not fit into every interior) what is essential is power: 1800 seems to me the very thing, although I don't really understand that, not a techie at all. Techies, smart girls, smart girls, ayy! Respond! Develop doubts! Mafits, are you wrong about the power of your beauty? Everywhere they write 1400, you say 1800. Maybe someone else knows?

[selenа]

selenа,
How about baking in Romelbacher?
There are a lot of modes in it, I did not immediately see without convection only the lower ten works, all other modes are either ten + convection or ten + spit. I read the topic and the range of opinions is observed. Who writes that the constantly working convection interferes (not by ear, that it is okay to make noise), but baking or meat, they dry out the pier. Whoever writes that it helps, on the contrary, speeds up at least. And whoever writes they say, violet did not feel her presence, again as a result of the dish / baking. And how do you like this constantly working convection, except for the "lower heating element" mode? Dries strongly, interferes, does not interfere. And then I already on this basis almost threw the German because of the non-switched off convection. I returned to the simfer, but again I don't know the dimensions, I'm waiting for a hint from Mafits (maybe I can't wait). I went to wool the lower echelon as a fallback - rollersens / redbers.
Yes, the design of the German is unpretentious, there are a lot of clones, take away the inscription nothing German will remain. Could you take a photo in the interior? At least to look at how it is in real life - it is very sad or nothing .... Yes, but the temperature was not checked with a thermometer, are there deviations or clearly supports?

neltibet
Found no mention Mafitsthat the power in its 4213 model is 1800 watts.
This is the power stated in the simfer 4257 model. On the yul-march website, there is a photo 4213 of the rear part, with the increase you can see the same numbers. The declared power is the sum of the power of the top + bottom will be 1400W.

[ne_peku]

ne_pekuI really like baking, it heats up quickly, bakes very well, it blushes from all sides evenly and very nicely, the fan, or by fashionable convection, is completely inaudible, I even think that such a slight movement of air is not enough, which gives, but I do not baked on 2 levels, maybe then it is perceptible, and it seems to me that this is reflected in the beautiful tinting of products, in my old, very good oven, everything is baked perfectly too, but in "romik" it is more beautiful. I didn't cook meat without foil, and when I take off the foil to fry it, it doesn't dry out. I am very pleased with him, as a plowman, the truth is, until my son arrives, I can’t post a picture, but not a handsome man, for me it is more important that the performance commands respect, everything fits exactly, don’t talk humpty, the glass is of good quality, everything inside is very solid, wonderful grasp the baking sheet. In short, it is well tailored and tightly sewn. It is a little more expensive than ovens in the bulk (if you do not take Bork), but even that I did not regret. And I did not check the temperature because there was no such need, all temperatures correspond to my experience, that is, if I need 150 *, then he does it as 150 * and 240 * the same.

[selenа]

selenа, ok, you tell nicely.
I must have just found one review that the fan in this stove is very noisy. Although it was a 30-liter bottle, inside the place, something smaller can be heard stronger. Well, if convection. does not interfere and does not affect the cut badly, I can still take it. 42L is good, but I just don't need extra power, my house is old and the wiring is generally bad. I try to buy all devices with less power. 1800 versus 1550. Fixing the door in intermediate positions (at least the seller assured that this is so) and the inner wall covering I am very attracted to.
In many reviews that I read and revised the stoves are so clogged, either people are too lazy to wash, or the unprotected bare coating is really difficult to wash, that they are hammered into it. Although I would not be pleased to communicate with a dirty device.

So another question. The temperature indicator starts from 80 degrees, but there are still "two points" in front of this mark, I understand that these are lower values, probably 60 and 40-k. This is true? Or is there some kind of fiction, the seller did not answer anything, they say he does not know said. Actually 40-k gr. very necessary for proofing. And if the temperature is also strictly observed, then it comes out very well.

[ne_peku]

ne_peku, went on purposely turned on and put a little water, started to warm from the first dash. I bought bread dough in the summer and without this option it came up quickly, but yes, 40 * would be good.By the way, I did not see any special advantages in fixing, you rarely open it, if only at the end of baking you pierce it with a splinter, but maybe, if you dry something, then leave the door ajar? Until you wrote about the door, I did not know about any fixation, it hangs on the wall at chest level, and you can burn your hands about the door, so I liked that it opens slightly lower than parallel to the floor. and yes, I don’t like dirty equipment either, as they say, either this wash or buy a new one.

[ne_peku]

ne_peku, 200 ml. water on the first line of the temperature scale stood in the oven for 20 minutes, heated to 37 *.

[ne_peku]

ne_peku, Yes thank you! I got confused. I didn’t say such mafits, I mixed it up, I don’t get out of the stoves for several nights, I study, I ordered 2 just in case, and I doubt it. Redber was supposed to come on Monday evening, then I liked the simfer with a separate convection and the manufacturer, but you never know, I left an order, and on Saturday I ordered a simfer, I'm still waiting for the mafits' answer about the power and operation of such a large stove. In terms of price-quality-availability today! I liked rolson 3526 in the store. Everyone is good for me, the service is there, lighting, convection, 1500 power at 35 liters, while higher than the giant redber, but the temperature from 100 - you can't put the dough for proofing, you can't dry the fruit, you can't sweat the meat, eh. I would like 33 pleasure from the long-awaited assistant.

[neltibet]

neltibet, I did not write about power at all. Claimed 1400, I think it is fully consistent. At first, I also doubted whether it would be enough, but in fact I tried it and made sure that it was in no way inferior to my stationary oven.
This is how she bakes me, in time it corresponds to the recipes

I forgot to write about, the apples were already dried in it, it does an excellent job, I can post a photo later. And the dough was also tempered in it. The fan cannot be heard at all, only the ticking of the timer

[Mafits]

Mafits, thanks! How you reassured me! What wonderful pastries! Be sure to lay out the apples, we are waiting. If it's not difficult, show me how to place food in the oven. Please tell us about the peculiarities of cooking, the heating elements are open, does it burn on the lower level, when you use convection, did you bake in 2 floors? What else have you noticed? The temperature was not checked with a thermometer? Which one did you defy? Did you bake it immediately afterwards, without taking out the baked goods after proving, or did you first warm up your dude?

[Mafits]

Mafits, bravo. what a beauty!!! And the buns

good day! Can you please tell me if it is possible to reheat ready-made food in a microwave-type mini-oven? How long does it take and in which dish is it better to heat it up? Do I need to use oil or will the food be heated with hot air in convection mode? our microwave broke down and we decided to buy a mini - oven and the main task is to heat food

[solo82]

solo82, if there is no other possibility, then of course it is possible, it will be long, energy-intensive, but the food will be hot, there is a lot of other equipment that can replace the microwave in the matter of heating.