Krolichek
Please help me decide on a bread maker. Mandatory functions:

- Yeast-free !!! wheat, rye bread, coarsely ground, with bran. So that besides bread, you can also make some buns or muffins without yeast. A book with recipes in Russian and measuring cups (spoons) or whatever is needed to correctly measure the ingredients. Price up to $ 200 Firm preferably Moulinex or Panasonic. Thanks in advance.
dmitryvv
I definitely advise you - Panasonic. According to your budget - SD-2501.
You will not regret it, the bread is excellent. Buns and muffins can also be made - dough in a bread machine, bake in the oven.
I have 2 x / p - Mulinex 6002 and Panasonic, I can compare. In Mula, the bread is far from being as airy as in Panasonic.
Solnce113
Yes, I, too, can not decide on the choice of a bread maker ... for a week now I have been teasing .... Maybe someone will advise which one is better to take Panasonic or LG? .... I would like the quality to be good, and varied bread, preferably with automatic dispenser)
Vilapo
Quote: Solnce113

Yes, I, too, can not decide on the choice of a bread maker ... for a week now I have been teasing .... Maybe someone will advise which one is better to take Panasonic or LG? .... I would like the quality to be good, and varied bread, preferably with automatic dispenser)
If you choose between Panasonic and Lg, of course Panasonic is a reliable bread maker
Solnce113
Thank you for the advice) And which model is better to take? Do Panasonic have not white bread makers? it's just that all the appliances in my kitchen are dark, I would like a stainless steel bread maker ?!)
Rina
then Panasonic 2502. It is in stainless steel with black elements.
Solnce113
Quote: Vilapo

: flowers: of course they bake, it's good when the whole family loves, and not like mine, only I am alone, bake and share with my girlfriend
Well, it's okay, but the girlfriend is good))))) So if I understand correctly, Panasonic bakes any bread and Borodinsky) it's good. you need to go to the store today and have already finally decided) And then the sellers each say differently ... they are confusing)
Vilapo
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Well, it's okay, but the girlfriend is good))))) So if I understand correctly, Panasonic bakes any bread and Borodinsky) it's good. you need to go to the store today and have already finally decided) And then the sellers each say differently ... they are confusing)
Solnce113, the sellers will tell you, Borodinsky is baked in rye mode, we even have a whole topic, therefore, bread https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0 go see
Rina
The stove is just a stove. And she just bakes bread, but from those products that will be put into it. It's just that there is no Borodinsky's recipe in Panasonic's book. And there is no separate program with that name. In most cases, bread does not depend on the model of the stove and the presence or absence of a programmed program, but on the head and hands of a person. With sufficient "curvature of the handles", even simple wheat bread may not work in the main program. And when you turn on the head and hands, even the most difficult recipe for execution can be worked out to automatism.
alex52860
I completely agree with Rina, if the head would be in place and the hands would grow where necessary, then any bread would turn out regardless of the name of the stove.
irysska
Quote: alex52860

I completely agree with Rina, if the head would be in place and the hands would grow where necessary, then any bread would turn out regardless of the name of the stove.
and I, in turn, completely agree with both Rina and alex52860
in any bread maker you can bake a wonderful bread, guided by the correct recipe (in a whisper: not only in Panasonic)
Solnce113
Thank you all very much for the advice and explanations, in the near future I will buy myself a stove, most likely a Panasonic, all the same there is the most information about them and a lot of positive reviews)))
Rina
I'll clarify a little:
almost any bread can be baked in any quality oven. The program is not a dogma.

But the question of the quality of the device itself is a completely different matter. Here we have to choose - do we expect that the stove will last more than a year or two with regular and frequent use, or we buy for a relatively short period of life, or for baking from time to time (for example, to a dacha or a hostel, or ... )

For me, for example, Panasonic has been working properly for four years (with one minor repair: it was done by my husband on his own according to the instructions given by our members of the forum). And it will continue to work. If I change, then only for Panasonic (in any case, based on today's market offers). Here. And when my husband lived and worked in another city, I expected to buy a cheaper stove there, in a rented apartment - for a year of real work.
dmitryvv
Do not buy cotton with a wide and low container, with two blades. For example Moulinex 6002. The bakes are obviously worse than Panasonic. This is a fundamentally unavoidable drawback of such bread makers. All recipes for Muli 6002 (book of 100 recipes are attached) are characterized by an inflated flour / liquid ratio. It is there at least 1.7. This means that the bread will be heavier than in other c / n. If you take a recipe with a lower number, then the bread will sag. For example, Panasonic has this ratio of 1.4-1.5 and the bread is lighter, fluffy, airy.
irysska
But in LG the bread is no worse than from Panasonic. Although I will not argue with the owners of Panasonic about this - otherwise I risk being left without ears It's just my IMHO. And the coating of the forms is of high quality, and if God forbid repairing the stove, then there are no problems with the service either.
irysska
Quote: dmitryvv

Quite possible
The main thing is the shape of the container.
You didn't even shower me with slippers
And the form is like this:
Please help me decide on a bread maker i.e. high and narrow
dmitryvv
Great shape! In such a container, you can bake very good bread - fluffy, airy.
Solnce113
Quote: irysska

You didn't even shower me with slippers
And the form is like this:
Please help me decide on a bread maker i.e. high and narrow
what a wonderful bread I hope I will also learn how to bake bread, tomorrow I will go to choose a stove
Mesuri
Hello and live happily ever after, dear bakers and others like them! I have been reading this forum for a long time. Thanks to him, I got a cartoon and for a year now I have been dreaming about a bread maker. I need a bread maker that is powerful and with the ability to bake more. Since I am a mother of many children. Of course, someone will say they say .. she's mad about a lot of kids with fat, but she buys equipment. The point is what we live in on the outskirts of Moscow in a sleeping area, and if we didn't manage to buy bread in time, then after 6-7 pm everything is bought up. Many shops only open at 10 am. And several times my family was left without bread, waiting for the opening of the store or the delivery of bread. Ideally, I dream of Binaton BM2169 B, but this dream has not worked out for a year now. At first, they did not bring it to me, saying that only one and that is defective. Then they promised to deliver within a week. No miracle happened. Judging by the reviews on the Binaton stoves, there are a lot of complaints. And now I'm afraid to take. Here Panasonic gained a good reputation. But I am confused by the power of 500-600 watts. Many others are much more powerful. I hung like a program on the old stump. Help me decide that you can take the price up to 7 thousand, I will pull without prejudice to the family budget.
My requirements: versatility (bread muffins dough for dumplings and pies) capacity, power and reliability. (we don’t have time for moms with babies to run around to repair services).
You will forgive me if I seemed annoying or too thoughtful to you. It's just that I, as a mother of 4 children, cannot afford to throw out the day for nothing and then bother the whole family with my tantrums for wasted time and money.
sazalexter
Mesuri You have already decided everything by yourself Buy Panasonic! Power in HP does not affect anything.This is the power of the heater, not the engine, and no more. 1.2kg bread will bake quietly
Creamy
I have a Panasonic 2500, a power of 550 watts. It bakes absolutely everything and in the best way. If I were choosing a stove now, it would be Panasonic 2500 again.
Deep
I have a Panasonic 2501. If I chose now, it would be a Panasonic 2500, a L7 form and a baguette holder from Moulinex
Vanya28
Quote: Mesuri

... Help me decide that you can take the price of up to 7 thousand I will pull without prejudice to the family's budget.
My requirements: versatility (bread muffins dough for dumplings and pies) capacity, power and reliability. (we don’t have time for moms with babies to run around to repair services).
...

The most balanced choice is the 2500 model.
Rye bakes 1800 grams and can pull another 100 grams.
You can see it here - Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.
For the saved money, buy scales and measuring spoons with a timer.
You still have questions, write!
Mesuri
Thank you very much, in principle, yes you have to buy it once and not be nervous. I regretted the money for the Panasonic cartoon and I still regret my Ves, although it is not bad, but in my opinion, Panasonic clearly does not hold out. So I better not reinvent the wheel. I'll take it and get it
Bread maker Panasonic SD-2500WTS. Thank you very much ! Dear bakers!
Mesuri
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Quote: Vanya28


The most balanced choice is the 2500 model.
Rye bakes 1800 grams and can pull another 100 grams.
You can see it here - [url = https: //Mcooker-en.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0]Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.
For the saved money, buy scales and measuring spoons with a timer.
You still have questions, write!

I think to order the scales right away together with the bread maker. And you can please more about spoons. Somewhere here I saw several of them and they are fastened as if by a ring. Is this how I understand them? And where else to buy them? I honestly only saw them here on the forum. Ivan thank you very much! Increasingly, I see men on culinary forums. This is very encouraging! I'm not an emancipated woman, no! It's just nice to know that not only housewives are interested in cooking and confectionery wisdom!
Vanya28
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Buy 1ml measuring spoons in your nearest IKEA. 5 ml. 15 ml. 50 ml. 100 ml. (if you don't put it on the eye - like in a joke about a dog), there are also inexpensive electronic scales and buy there the cheapest mechanical timer for 60 minutes, for dancing around Panasonic (sometimes), it is also useful for other things in the kitchen, very helps.
Included with Panasonic will be a measuring spoon for 5 and 15 ml.
Elena Bo
Quote: Vanya28

In the nearest IKEA buy measuring spoons, there are also inexpensive electronic scales and the cheapest mechanical timer for 60 minutes.
Spoons are not necessary at all, since the set comes with a double-sided one. It is quite enough.
Make sure that the scales turn off automatically no earlier than after 3 minutes (a friend bought cheap ones, and they turn off after 30 seconds).
A timer is also optional.
Giraffe
Elena, I support it 100%. For the fifth year with a bread maker and have not bought anything from this set except scales.
* Anyuta *
I have already expressed my opinion about the purchase of equipment .. I made a comparison .. someone was offended ... so now I will say briefly ...
choose ON NEEDS (functionality)AND AT YOUR OPPORTUNITIES (material wealth)

and my models are listed in the profile ..
IRR
Quote: Mesuri

Hello and live happily ever after, dear bakers and others like them! I have been reading this forum for a long time. Thanks to him, I got a cartoon and for a year now I have been dreaming about a bread maker. I need a bread maker powerful
Mesuri, along with Panasonic, pay attention to the Erisson BM-250 stove.

Please help me decide on a bread maker
it is really powerful and kneads one and a half kilograms of dough at a time (and more). She has 2 mixers, a long bucket - a classic loaf, removing the mixers, you can bake challah and rolls in it. Especially important in summer in the heat, as an alternative to the oven. There are 4 types of dough in it, incl.dumplings (no need to stir with your hands, and without that cool kneading) I have this for the 3rd year. I use it every other day.
IRR
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we have never seen such on sale ... and I hear the name for the first time ... all the same, Ukraine is ahead of us in the presence of all sorts of bells and whistles ...

this is what it is called in Russia, in Ukraine it is DELFA DB-104708. Power 800 watts.

Please help me decide on a bread maker

Mesuri
Thanks for the advice on the Erisson BM-250. But when I tried to look in the Internet stores, it turned out not so easy to find it! In the presence of only 260. All the same, I'll run Panasik myself.
IRR
Quote: MariV

Here, Irunya, I caught you again! And the window above her - how? does not interfere? noisy? Is the assembly good or? Honestly . I looked at the price - quite!

bothers me without a window. Not noisy, mixes quickly and powerfully.

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chuchelkin
Austrian riding in HP, kneading in HP, molding and baking in it.

The only minus for today is that after almost 3 years the paint on the buttons is erased. Still, the buttons under the plastic will be better. ... Olya, but there is a +, which overlaps everything - spare wheel buckets appeared in the service, they cost 15. ye. (about). You will buy, call the service, puzzle them. ... I don't want to eat teflon with a bun, as he says Rolllands

IMHO. anyway he slides after a year or two on the edges of any high-quality bucket. If it does not start flowing before. So it is better to take a new bucket or an inexpensive zero bucket stove.
Solnce113
Hello everyone. I finally made up my mind and joined the ranks of bakers. I bought a panasonic zb2502! Today I have already baked the first bread
IRR
Quote: MariV

: And two mixers - kneading hard? Baking, judging by your photo, is uniform everywhere, right?

knead like a beast. Olya, my gentle and affectionate animal, this is just about her. The top is baked, everything is ok. I don't want another. Although I have a smaller volume, also a budget scarlett. And also (me, mistletoe, schumacher- we have one model, very nice baking in it). Tama bucket is vertical.
olvina
PAZHALSTA !!!!! GOOD PEOPLE HELP !!!! on Friday, HP is brought to the house, but the husband has not decided to take 2500 or 2502, if he does not choose tomorrow, then the hp will be postponed for an indefinite time !!!! I sympathize with those who dreamed of a stove for a year (judging by the reviews), but I can't stand that much !!! I would take 2500, but my husband rushes about !!! If he buys 2500, then he will devour me with doubts that there was no need to save, let alone invest so long, and if 2502, then he will get it with the dispensers, with the replacement of the spring (I already prepared 4 springs from the pens, why 4, if the despenser is 2, does not prick). Who uses these Panas models, please write how you use HP as much as possible (jam, pilaf, knitting of socks). She threatened that if she did not choose tomorrow, she would not bring Panas on Friday, then in the topic about used equipment I would give an announcement about exchanging the stove for her husband. Since the second-hand husband is also used, I think the exchange will be equivalent.
Vanya28
Quote: olvina

PAZHALSTA !!!!! GOOD PEOPLE HELP !!!! on Friday, HP is sent to the house, but the husband has not decided to take 2500 or 2502, ..

It is difficult to help here, as an alternative - 2501 model.
Improvements are not fundamental in older models, everything is good, you can throw a coin, and play cards with your husband on the model! And what do you like most?
Many people complain about the presence of a dispenser, and not about its absence, especially for yeast, it always works and does not turn off.

Read it.
Deep
olvina, firstly, no one will eat you, because you are going to take a Panasonic 2500, which means that soon you will be able to tempt your loved one with the aroma and taste of freshly baked bread. In my opinion, this stove is much more serious than its prim and glamorous brother, stuffed with unnecessary beauties. I have 2501, but the dispenser is of no use at all. Even when I expect that the dispenser is about to start working, I still shudder when it fires. It would be better if it was just a warning signal. Leave this at night - so you can scare your family and neighbors to the bone. Imagine two such dispensers. Moreover, in 2501 you can at least select a program where the dispenser does not work, and in 2502 - the yeast dispenser works on any bread program. Additionally, some 2502 owners say the yeast dispenser doesn't always work. So just imagine, isn't it easier to put yeast under the flour right away and sleep peacefully.

Why does your husband think the 2502 is a more reliable model? This is fundamentally wrong. They have exactly the same filling (as indicated by the serial numbers of the models).The only difference is in design - a metal case, dispensers and additional unnecessary things - a stirrer for rye dough, and supposedly rye mode. You will be taught how to make rye bread here, if you want. I bake rye bread regularly, more often than wheat, but I never use the "Rye" mode, even though I have it.
olvina
Quote: Vanya28

It is difficult to help here, as an alternative - 2501 model.
Improvements are not fundamental in older models, everything is good, you can throw a coin, and play cards with your husband on the model! And what do you like most?
Many people complain about the presence of a dispenser, and not about its absence, especially for yeast, it always works and does not turn off.

Read it.
I like 2500 the most, because I love and have the opportunity to tinker in the kitchen, I hope to buy different L7, L11, a baguette holder and get perverted about the soul. Beauty is not required from the stove, since there is no kitchen as such and there is nothing to design with, the apartment has been renovated (and for a long time and constantly), I love and use equipment all the time, I bake in a round Soviet miracle maker. There is no oven, there is no oven function in the mult.
olvina, firstly, no one will eat you, because you are going to take a Panasonic 2500, which means that soon you will be able to tempt your loved one with the aroma and taste of freshly baked bread. In my opinion, this stove is much more serious than its prim and glamorous brother, stuffed with unnecessary beauties. I have 2501, but the dispenser is of no use at all. Even when I expect that the dispenser is about to start working, I still shudder when it fires. It would be better if it was just a warning signal. Leave this at night - so you can scare your family and neighbors to the bone. Imagine two such dispensers.
Behind the wall of my kitchen is the living room of a neighbor, the house is designed like that. They will have fun with dispensers.
Why does your husband think the 2502 is a more reliable model? This is fundamentally wrong. They have exactly the same filling (as indicated by the serial numbers of the models). The only difference is in design - a metal case, dispensers and additional unnecessary things - a stirrer for rye dough, and supposedly rye mode. You will be taught how to make rye bread here, if you want. I bake rye bread regularly, more often than wheat, but I never use the "Rye" mode, even though I have it.
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Oh thank you! I read and agreed to 2500 hallelujah !!!! I even went to sleep! I calmed down with rye! I made sure that men's advice was present and doubts disappeared. Good night and good dreams! Thanks again.
Giraffe
So the male word for the husband was decisive? What an injustice towards us, women. I just wanted to insert my 5 kopecks about 2500, but everything was already decided. Congratulations, there is only one day left to wait and enjoy.
olvina
* Anyuta *: friends: good afternoon! What a scapula ?! I take over the tomatoes! More details can be !? You are welcome!!! And then I can't stand my husband's throwing for another week! The jam spoils the bucket clearly ..... we will cook immediately in jars in the airfryer, conveniently, by the way, only jars are not 5- and not 3-liter
Dear Giraffe! You are absolutely right! All as the husband wants! He said to football, so to football! He said 2502, which means ..... that is, 2500, .... oh, 2501 has a blade !!!! (I no longer climb, nervously read * Anyutin * comments and is waiting for the continuation).

Maybe someone else can keep the rabbi ... husband busy with reasoning? Is there a desire to fumble? Before ordering hp, there are still several HOURS (not the fact that the husband will outlive them, the rolling pin is a deadly weapon). In general, he is a good person, but our lactating cat is already looking at him with suspicion, as he changes the places of kittens when feeding, because he knows better where someone will eat better. (This is not a joke), however, I haven't tried to lick it ... maybe yet ...
* Anyuta *
Quote: olvina

* Anyuta *: friends: good afternoon! What a scapula ?! I take over the tomatoes! More details can be !? You are welcome!!! And then I can't stand my husband's throwing for another week! The jam spoils the bucket clearly .....we will cook immediately in jars in an airfryer, it is convenient, by the way, only jars of not 5 and not 3 liter

For kneading rye / custard bread, i.e. any bread where a lot of rye flour is used. but a dispenser is still needed - when you bake cakes and bread with additives (raisins / cheeses / sausages) ... And in Panas 2501 there are 2 programs more than 2500 .. download instructions for 2501 there and you will see the difference, because programs are shown for two models at once! We took in an Internet store on March 8th. Price 2501 - 6500 rub
Rina
olvina, I, as a Panasonic driver with four years of experience and a user of another HP, can say. At the moment, 2501 is the best option.
1. quiet.
2. dispenser for additives - works ONLY when the corresponding mode is set in the program. It does not work in the main modes. Better that he was and rarely use it than then bite his elbows "Or maybe he was needed."
3. Yeast dispenser is not needed, but you decided it.
4. "comb" blade for rye dough. It is also not always used (I regularly forget to put it instead of the main one). But you will have a spare mixer.
5. Anyuta, I still "throw a slipper". The order of Panasonic is really designed for Panasonic. There, at the start of kneading, the mixer gently "rakes" flour with a part of the water under itself, immediately creating a dough, and not immediately creating a chatterbox into which you need to knead the flour. By the way, many users of other brands use exactly the Panasonic bookmarking order, especially if, for example, it is necessary to put bread on a delay, and the buckets suffer from all sorts of leaks. In my instructions to Yunold it is said that when kneading a denser dough, it is the order "flour below, water on top" that is recommended. If you are afraid of scratching the bucket, it is better to adopt the habit of dissolving sugar and salt in liquid. And the water will not get to the yeast, even if the bucket is on a long delay. It's just that wheat flour has the following properties - it doesn't get wet to the end.

Giraffe
As for the number of programs, the question is controversial, I have not yet seen a single person who would use everyone. About the scapula, I can say that some people simply forgot about it. A cheese dispenser is not a very convenient thing: cheese, chocolate, when the temperatures equalize in the warmth, stick together, and I need more raisins for cakes than is included in the dispenser. Oh, I won't talk about it, so much has already been said, it just turns out a flood.
About kittens SUPER! We need to get to know you better. There is a corresponding topic for this Let's get acquainted visually? The post about kittens will be a success (well, and a rolling pin too)
* Anyuta *
Quote: giraffe

As for the number of programs, the question is controversial, I have not yet seen a single person who would use everyone. About the scapula, I can say that some people simply forgot about it. A cheese dispenser is not a very convenient thing: cheese, chocolate, when the temperatures equalize in the warmth, stick together, and I need more raisins for cakes than is included in the dispenser. Oh, I won't talk about it, so much has already been said, it just turns out a flood.
About kittens SUPER! We need to get to know you better. There is a corresponding topic for this Let's get acquainted visually? The post about kittens will be a success (well, and a rolling pin too)

Yes, I also do not use a dispenser, but all the same, its presence / absence may be necessary for someone .. but suddenly the recipe will appear, where you CANNOT DO WITHOUT a dispenser ... either the bread was put, and you need to run away by business ... I am writing on this site for the Nth time ... CHOOSE BY NEEDS (functions) and BY YOUR OPPORTUNITIES (wealth).
olvina
Hello! This is Stanislav, the same husband. I'll take 2501, and then let Olvinka want to use it, or not. She wanted 2500, but the woman does not understand that it is better to have and not to use, than not to have and to regret. Is it not recommended to cook jam at all, or should you dissolve sugar in water beforehand? Take a spare bucket? The wife still wants some form for the bricks.Kittens have to be changed at the cat's nipples, since everyone is fighting because of one nipple, not realizing that there are 8 nipples, and 5 kittens are enough for everyone, and in general he is still small, they are only 3 days old! Did you at that age do without outside help at breakfast ?!

Many thanks for the help. The model is selected.

Somehow the owners of 2502 did not speak out. Is everything so boring with this model? I chose. But maybe it's not optimal?
olvina
we take for 5 600 at a wholesale warehouse, they now have a discount on all HP Panas 500 rubles regardless of the model.
Creamy
Do you already know how to check the stove in the store in different modes?
Creamy
Are you saying that the stove won't even let you plug in the plug? But how to check the engine, whether the heating elements are heating up, whether the "Menu", timer, setting the bread size, crust color, "Start" and "Stop" buttons are working? I checked all this in the store in one minute, because thanks to Rine came prepared.
Mesuri
Immediately about the additional form and I had a question. Many complain that Panas forms or buckets have this weak point. When buying a bread maker, you can immediately buy a second bucket-form at a bread maker store. Or where to buy a bucket-shape?

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