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I fired up the idea of ​​buying a bread machine, now I'm painfully thinking, before the brain boils, what should I buy?
I rummaged through the forum, realized that most of all Panasonic, they also praise Delongy. But the Panasonic 255 doesn't have a yeast-free bread feature, right? And I would probably need this function. Rye, yeast-free, from wholemeal flour, in general, for dietary purposes, rather.
So, which is better, Panasonic or Hitachi?
What do you advise?
Thank you in advance!
Mams
Panasonic has modes: rye, diet (whole grain), gluten-free (for people who are allergic to gluten (wheat)). There is also the possibility of baking muffins (bread). As far as I understand, the cake is baked without yeast. This means that it is possible to bake bread without yeast, first kneading (dough mode for pizza or dumplings), then baking in the "baking" mode.
tenidia
Also think about how much you will bake. If small loaves are one thing, large ones are another. Also interested in the shape of the loaf ...
Mueslik
Quote: Theo


2 tenidia: I will bake often, but little by little. Loaf shape? I don’t know, somehow I didn’t think about it, but is it important? And if the oven is large and the bread is small, will this affect its quality?
Of course, if you bake less bread than recommended by the manufacturer, there is a possibility that the bread will be overdried. It is better to take the stove, where the small size of the loaf was originally laid. The shape of the loaf does not really matter, it is simple here: like-dislike
tenidia
If the oven is designed for large loaves, with smaller ones more poorer. For example, in Moulinex 5004 it is not very good to make small breads, they do not always close the bottom, it is important to watch, but a large cake turns out great and leaves in a moment. If you only bake small ones, then choose a medium size.
Mashenka
Quote: tenidia

For example, in Moulinex 5004 it is not very good to make small breads, they do not always close the bottom, it is important to watch, but a large cake turns out great and leaves in a moment.

I have Moulinexe 5004 - small loaves are what you need! I take half of the basic recipe for 1000 grams from a book and it turns out a very neat, soft loaf that is eaten in a day and the next time you can bake something again!
alla
TatSU, there is no rye program for 5004, maybe some other one is suitable, does anyone know? Sorry for bothering. I want to figure it out.
Rustic stove
Quote: alla

TatSU, there is no rye program for 5004, maybe some other is suitable, does anyone know? Sorry for bothering. I want to figure it out.

alla,

1. in 5004 there is Borodinsky. It is rye.
2.How to bake rye in general without a special program - read here: https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=99&topic=1038.0
3. if the bread contains more than half of the wheat flour (for example, Darnitsky from fugaska) - it goes well on the main program.

Mueslik
:) On whole grain, you can bake rye, baked repeatedly according to different recipes, it turns out well, program 8 initially already, with rye flour, also baked
Inna1982
And I, too, lit up HP. I really want to give it to my mom. But I think it's more for myself. A very important component for me is the price. Well, what can I do, I can't buy HP for 5 thousand. Maybe you will advise from inexpensive ones.
Inna1982
And I also found such a Trisa 7719, but I did not find any reviews about it. (I just saw this in our store) and decided to read the comments on the internet, but alas ...
Mams
Inna1982, to be honest, it's not very good that there are no reviews, or rather almost no. A little-known company, even the country of origin is almost nowhere indicated. In case of any problems - neither service nor a spare bucket - all this will be almost inaccessible ... Although, of course, let everything be fine, let the bread please you, in any case - it will be delicious
TRUS
Which CP is suitable for making sourdough bread? The dough rises for about 5 hours. I read an article about the dangers of dry yeast, my hair stood on end!
It seems to me any x / n, you can just put the dough separately, and then after 5 hours a separate baking program. It's not very convenient though. But I have not yet heard about the x / n with the program for 5 hours. Maybe one of the experienced bakers knows ..... In general, do not bother about the harm of dry yeast, until today you have been eating bread with dry yeast all these years and are alive. In addition, now all store food is not inferior in harm to yeast. And baking on them is much easier and faster.
Suslya
I bake with sourdough in the oven, but sometimes I use HP when it's hot. I want to say this, 5 hours the dough did not rise yet, 2 hours were enough. You can put on the program, but then you need to add yeast, just a little, purely symbolically, grams of 2-3. And so, just interrupt the program, knead-turn off-forming-proofing-and turn on the baking.
Liza
In the summer, they taught me how to bake bread with hop sourdough, kneaded the dough by hand, now I want to buy a bread maker. The dough is suitable for 5 - 6 hours, baked at 1.40 - 1.50, tell me if there is a bread maker with these parameters.
Aunt Besya
If only programmable models In my longest cycle "French" - 6 hours with baking
SchuMakher
Hello! I'm a newbie! I buy most of my household appliances on a whim, I like the appearance and that's it, I take it without hesitation .... Outwardly, I like the Kenwoods most of all, especially in iron cases ... Found 256KENWOOD BM 256 s / n PR1012 ... What kind of animal? Outwardly handsome !!!!! But .... it is only in the "discounted price" in one Internet-shop .... discounted due to scratches on the case .... Now in thought .... About Kenov, I found only that very noisy. .. Tell me what?
patrold
About the timing of the rise and baking. Do not forget that the inside of the cotton has its own atmosphere (from 28 to 36 at the rack) and a minimum of drafts. Therefore, the time for raising the dough and baking may differ from the manual one.
an_domini
SchuMakher, if you like the Kens, take the more modern model - the 450th. If it stands in the kitchen, then the noise should not bother you too much. Well, they are louder than Panasov, but not so much as not to take. In terms of reliability, the leaders are, of course, Panasy. But both stoves are decent, they seem to be the two most popular models.
SchuMakher
Thanks for the answer! I don't have much room in my one-room kitchen, I like the Kenovskaya Gubina 23-25, and the 450th is already wider ... we need to look at the Panas sizes in depth ... And what Panas meets the price-quality ratio?
patrold
Quote: ShuMakher

And which Panas meets the price-quality ratio?

SchuMakher

Both 254 and 255 are the same process technology. So is the case. The difference in accessories - in 255 added a dispenser for filling nuts, fruits, raisins, etc., and also added a second knife (comb) for rye bread. And accordingly for him his own regime. The price difference ranges from 100 to 2000 depending on the delivery.
taruss
Hello!
There are intentions to buy a bread maker ...
I live in a rural outback, where there are almost no attributes of modern civilization, such as shops, public transport, post office, etc., but there is electricity. And my bread is "the head of everything." In addition, as you know, a self-made product is an order of magnitude better and healthier than any store. That is why this miracle of human thought is needed.
I ask for help in choosing.
The main criterion is reliability, simplicity and reliability in work. As I understand it, everything in the bread machine is programmed: but, for me, it is desirable not so much that if, for example, some grams are not enough, or vice versa, or other deviations from standard recipes, the bread machine "does not want to work" ...
Chinese manufacturers are of little interest to me, yet their reputation is “tarnished” in our market. In addition, there is no desire to overpay for an overly advertised brand, for example, Panasonic (I have nothing against this brand), where the cost of the bread machine itself, the cost of the brand, advertising, is from 30 to 50%.
I am inclined to buy a Rolsen brand bread maker, a relatively young Korean company. Korean quality inspires confidence, and in terms of price-quality ratio, the cheapest, as it seemed to me. However, perhaps the members of the forum will tell you something valuable in this regard, that's why I appeal. Yes, the purchase is planned in Moscow.
I hope you'll give me a hand.
taruss
Celestine, thanks for your feedback!
No, the final choice has not been made yet.
Quote: Celestine

... Just want to be supported or dissuaded?
- there is no need for one or the other, not a young lady.
I am interested in the logic of the choice of those who have experience in terms of choice. And just little-known firms. I am not interested in brand names, I repeat, there is no desire to pay for "air". The forum, of course, I read, but for the Korean company I indicated, I just did not find anything, I hope for your help as a topic moderator. The very specific Korean company is little known to me. Maybe there are others like that. This is what I would be interested to find out on the forum.
Well, and avoid common mistakes when choosing.
In addition to the criteria that I indicated, I would also clarify what I choose:
1. By weight: somewhere around 1.5kg-2.0kg.
2. By function: - as small and simple as possible.
Regardless of the specific brand, and the price (with finances "not a lot", but I do not choose tea "Mercedes", I plan about 5 thousand, plus / minus a couple of thousand rubles, which will not affect the "weather"), well, I didn't have never like a miracle of the world.
sazalexter
taruss If you are not confused by the quality of the domestic screwdriver brand, then what you need to read is very interesting
taruss
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taruss If you are not confused by the quality of the domestic screwdriver brand, then what you need to read is very interesting

Cool information, thanks!
What I knew, I guessed something, but in general the article surprised me. True, the reliability of such an article, which "smacks" of yellowness, is in doubt.
There is nothing about bread makers, but the Rollsen company is mentioned:
“Rolsen, a brand invented in 1995 by MIPT graduate Sergei Belousov, is used for televisions, home theaters, monitors, mobile phones and washing machines. But Rolsen never traded his name for irons. The company began with the assembly of LG TVs, and now it also produces its own at a plant in Fryazino (parts are purchased in Southeast Asia). Recently, Rolsen has been most successful in selling monitors and televisions, of which it produces 150 thousand and 240 thousand units per year, respectively. At the same plant in Fryazino, near Moscow, all 20-, 21- and 25-inch LG TVs sold in Russia are made.
Indeed, my friend has a Rollsen TV - nevertheless, "plows like a tractor."
I am glad that "parts are purchased in Southeast Asia", still, not self-made ...
It has long been known that in stores under the brands of well-known real Japanese, German, Korean and other brands, not to mention little-known companies, there are Malaysian, Chinese and of course our domestic assembly ... Well, this is our society ...
Our assembly is not scary, but where to go from reality. The main thing is that everything worked and did not cause "headaches".
sazalexter
taruss Before buying, ask about the service account, whether you can find a bucket and a shovel on sale, life shows this is not superfluous
Celestine
Quote: taruss

And just little-known firms.

Of the little-known on our site, they actively use "Alaska", for example.
Or read here:
https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=3197.0

https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9727.0;topicseen
taruss
Celestine, thanks for the links, but I'm not puzzled by the search for little-known brands.
Rem, Your advice to make inquiries at service centers is good, practical, but under my conditions it is not very feasible. We do not have such centers nearby. I intend to buy indirectly, through an Internet store in Moscow, to the address of my country neighbors who live and work in Moscow, and who have not yet closed the summer season and are visiting the country. I think that others who have similar centers nearby will use this useful advice.
Gypsy: "what kind of nonsense .. put it in the stove and she will bake it .. she doesn’t think that you slipped her a creamy sunflower over there."
- so it may be so, but not at all .... The stove does not care, no doubt, but our body, yes, not all the same. However, this is already a topic for a separate conversation, and does not relate to this topic ...
patrold, thanks for the tip, I really am inclined to buy the 1288th brand, but not because it is stainless steel, but because it is more spacious and powerful, has more impressive characteristics, in a word.
Thanks everyone , who in one way or another helped me to understand the essence of the issue, it helped me a lot. I had doubts that the automatics and programs would be capricious and refuse to operate the stove in cases of deviations from the recipe, but, as I understood, this is not entirely true. The stove will work in case of such deviations, but what will be laid down at the "entrance" will come back to haunt at the "exit". Blaming the stove in this case, of course, will be pointless.
Below I will explain my logic for choosing a brand.
It helped, significantly clarified my choice, oddly enough - the article on the link on this forum, which describes the history of world brands in our market. I decided to double-check the facts stated there regarding the company that interested me. The best option, in such cases, is to directly contact the original source, and I looked at the website of the company itself, since it has a Russian-language version.
Here are excerpts from there:
“1990 - Rolsen Electronics started its activity in 1990 in Seoul (South Korea) as an independent enterprise. At the first stage, large investments in production and research and development became a priority area of ​​development.
1995 - Rolsen is the first foreign company to open in Russia the production of TV sets LG, JVC, Thomson, Toshiba, Philips, Daewoo, Funai.
1999 - entering the Russian market with its own trade mark - Rolsen

Rolsen Electronics manufactures 13 types of goods, has 12 structural divisions around the world with a total of more than 7300 employees.
Now, under the Rolsen brand in Russia, more than 40 models of TVs with diagonals from 14 to 34 inches, DVD players and DVD recorders, plasma panels and LCD TVs, home theaters, air conditioners, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, microwave ovens are produced. (including bread makers - my approx.), video tape recorders, audio equipment, wired telephones, mp3 Flash players.
The expansion of Rolsen Electronics throughout Russia is growing every year.
Currently, more than 350 Rolsen dealers operate in 197 cities of Russia. The network of Rolsen service centers (it is one of the most extensive in the country) provides an opportunity to repair equipment wherever a consumer can purchase it. The warranty period for equipment under the Rolsen brand is from one to three years, depending on the product range. "

The network of service centers in Russia is really impressive. Information that the brand of the company is allegedly "Invented in 1995 by a graduate of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology", turned out to be an ordinary journalistic "Duck". "Come up with" the brand of the company in 1995, which has already existed for at least 5 years, is perhaps not difficult: it is enough to translate the name of the company from Korean into Russian, and then, if he speaks both languages, and there was no translator from the Korean company itself ... The graduate could still cope with this, I admit. But what's next? Proceeding from everyday logic, it is clear (at least for me) that this graduate could not organize anything in this direction either himself, even if he "Seven spans in the forehead", nor with the help of his father - a large oligarch (suppose he has one).Since the organization of such a production, and especially an extensive network, is a very costly business, risky, requiring huge investments, engineering thought, the return on which is expected only in some historical perspective, after tens of years. Our oligarchs, as is well known, prefer not to take risks, as they are used to "Cut coupons" from the sale of raw materials, or at least semi-finished products from them. Partly because, own production in this direction (TVs, household appliances, etc.) "Copper basin"... As known, "A holy place is never empty", So the Koreans were in a hurry, they organized both production and service network, etc. In contrast to other world companies, in particular, popular on this site. They are confident in their potential to compete with other leading global brands. This instills confidence in the reliability of this brand's products. Due to the fact that the assembly, even if only "screwdriver", is established in our company, it is their products that are maximally adapted to our market, simplified, and russified. Well done. Worthy of respect. Of course, in the city, sometimes the hostess wants to “show off” a fancy expensive item of a prestigious brand in front of her friends, but in rural outback there is no one to “sparkle” with such things, and there is no need. Here, in the first place - reliability, ease of use, minimum distraction of human attention and time to this matter.
Approximately this is my logic of choosing this brand, and not another, more advertised, or vice versa, little-known. However, this is just my choice, my point of view, which does not claim to be the ultimate truth.
sazalexter
taruss I did not give S / C links for nothing, not so that you would repair the HP, but so that you would know if there is a bucket and a spatula on sale!
And try to find a mention of the "Korean" company besides Russia

Service: service @
Phone: (095) 785-2433
It is stop good in Korea
Tanyusha
taruss when you buy a Rollsen, look at the bucket, it is very tiny, especially today in M ​​Video I looked at it, in the anatomy they write 1.2 kg, and there and 300 g. will not enter. In general, they fool our brother.
Rina
taruss, a spatula is not something that is poured in, but something with which the dough is kneaded in a bucket, and the bucket is not only a container for kneading dough, but also a baking dish .. The question of the possibility of acquiring a bucket and a spatula is by no means idle. In the most expensive and reliable bread makers, even with ideal use, the coating (non-stick) in the bucket after a while will begin to wear off, bubble, etc. (on the spatula, too, almost always the same coating), and it can be damaged over time so that a replacement is required. The terms can vary from a couple of weeks in the poorest stoves to a year or two, even in the most decent ones. In addition, a spatula is a small thing, it is quite possible to lose such a thing. Regarding the bucket, it has a special device, it can simply jam, the bucket can fall and get such damage that it will no longer be possible to use it. In any of the layouts (loss, serious damage) that the bucket, that the scapula, the bread maker becomes dead, and there are no handicraft replacement options.
Rem
The further you are from shops and services, the more reliable the equipment should be! The rest is playing the lottery! What else can you say in this topic? Otherwise it will cost more than expensive equipment!
Rina
Well, another year and a half ago Panas cost more acceptable than now (the excitement, including the one created in the forums, played a role). Although, even at that time, I think that it was possible to buy two Alaska (I do not know their prices). Under no circumstances would I pay as much as my stove costs today.

But under conditions when shops and services are far away, and the choice is in the virtual world, then I would still choose at least from those models for which there is independent information from users, and not only from sellers. I repeat - this is my opinion, which is not a dogma.
soneks
I would like to add that in most cases the equipment sold today is of very low quality. Even most of the well-known brands are now assembled both in Russia and in China. The risk of "running into" a low-quality product is great. You don't have to go far for examples. Recommend before buying:
1. Read reviews about those stove models that fall into the price group you need
2. Do not be lazy and go to a shop-salon where these models are presented and see with your own eyes and touch these stoves with your own hands. Very often, examining the externally of a product (for example, a stove), one can already solve the question: take or not take. The build quality will immediately rush. I remember that I went to buy a roaster for myself (such a mini-oven). Came, looked, and "ofigel". In the photo, everything is beautiful, but in reality it is horror. The corners of the device are sharp, the distortions are global.
3. Be sure to estimate the size and weight of the bread you are going to bake. From this position, stoves with two types of buckets are very convenient: two small or one large. Just an unplowed field for fantasy.
4. It is very convenient when the stove has a viewing window, just the soul is happy to see how the bread is baked.
5. A tray for automatic loading of ingredients is, of course, great, but such stoves are still too expensive.

Personally, I have been satisfied with a very inexpensive daewoo DI-9154 stove.
There would be more money, maybe he bought something else, but not.
Pseudo-foreign companies like rolsen, camelion, etc. I can't stomach it.
And I do not like the stoves, the body of which is plastic, at all. You can argue for a long time about whether or not carcinogenic substances are released from plastic, but I like stoves, which are mostly made of metal.

PS: In general, the main thing is that the oven bakes bread well. What she does
Do not forget only, in accordance with the instructions, to "ignite" the heating element of the stove so that the factory grease "burns out" (read the instructions for the stove, there are many interesting things there).

And most importantly, take care of the Teflon coating of your buckets: the cost of buying new ones instead of damaged ones can be very upsetting.
sazalexter
Gypsy The bucket in HP is made of
1) Stamped aluminum (for example in Moulinex)
2) Cast aluminum, more precisely the Duralumin alloy (used in LG and Panasonic)
taruss
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taruss Now let's "virtually" repair the HP in Moscow
Alas, there are no service centers for ovens in Moscow. Of all the many of these centers in Russia, one is indicated on the site (I hope until only one) :
Korolev Pallada-Service LLC, pr-d Tsiolkovsky, 5 (495) 516-91-71,940-98-27
Strange as it may seem, it suits me, since one of my country neighbors lives and works in this previously closed city. It should be noted that the bread makers - their products - are completely new, and their line consists of only 4 sub-brands, the main specialization of the company is televisions.

Gypsy, I agree with you that in bread makers I "swim like an ax in water" ... But, nevertheless, if not only the inner bucket is made of stainless steel, (which is good), but the body is made of stainless steel, then this , good too.
If the inner bucket is made of the materials specified Sazalexter, - again it turns out - not made of plastic, which is again a plus. As a result, there are some advantages, and not small ones, in favor of reliability and durability.
Or again I misunderstood something ...?
Mams
author = taruss link = topic = 3696.0 date = 1256491240]
Believe it or not, where I live there are no shops within a radius of 20 miles. .. And there is no public transport. .. But, suppose I put off all my daily affairs, after listening to your advice, and left, found, saw. And what will it give ...? How will this thing surprise me? I saw enough pictures on the Internet ...
It doesn't matter - everything will be determined by practice, real experience.

You will not believe what you can see if you look at the device on the showcase, and not virtually. Every manufacturer praises their products. But looking with your own eyes, feeling it - I assure you, you can determine whether you like this stove or not.

IMHO - why not look towards really Koreans - LG, for example? The company has been producing ovens for more than a decade, the quality is quite decent, there are very few complaints about the work And the price is not terrible at all Good luck in choosing

Don't chase the weight of your baked goods. I have four in my family, I bake bread from 500 grams of flour - a day is enough for 3-4, sometimes more.
sazalexter
No one makes buckets from stainless steel, firstly it will cost more than $ 400, and secondly, it is not technologically advanced, you will need to use metal-powder technology, stamping will not work, and the adhesion to Teflon is not very good
Better cast iron, it is cast, and the grip with Teflon is super But not all housewives will lift the weight
Gypsy
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Gypsy, the "face" is pretty, and the thing is necessary, that's why I buy it.
Why is it needed? I undertake to substantiate my point of view on this matter, in the form of a separate small essay.
Here at once you can see a man completely far from the stoves. The photo was not just the same with a loaf. look at the loaf .. if you choose only by a pretty face. then the chances of finding yourself a problem will increase. Look at it in the compartment, first for bread. then on the face I will mark for you, a small loaf. In terms of weight, it is small, the shape is excellent. and most importantly, the upper crust is ruddy despite the meanness of the loaf, and not every stove can boast of this.
Natalia_25
Please help me to choose a bread machine !!!
I understand that a lot has already been said about the elections, but after reading, I could not come to one choice and decided to create a new Temka, help to put things in order in my thoughts!
The story is as follows: in the summer, the neighbors gave their bread maker a try (before that I didn’t know about such a miracle of technology), in which they mastered only one white bread, and my soul rushed to heaven - I made both a simple white bread and a coffee for tea , and potato, but I was more delighted when I managed to make cherry jam, and then apple jam. Having tried it, I got fired up with the idea of ​​purchasing the same one and for the third month now I have been suffering with a choice. There are some requirements for the future assistant, but there are also accumulated questions that I hope to resolve with your help!
Requirements: 1. jam, 2. rye bread, 3. sweet pastries, 4. cake, 5. cake, 6. dough, of course I want baguettes, but, as far as I understand, they can only be baked in Moulinex, and the quality, according to some reviews, this stove is not very good in terms of assembly and reliability.
Questions: 1. The sweet baking program allows you not only to prepare the dough, but also to bake it in a bread machine, is that so?
2. Does the cupcake program only prepare the dough, but do you need to bake it in the oven?
3. on the market in the descriptions of the lg "Russian chef" bread makers there is a French baguette program - is this a slip of the tongue?
4. I tried the simplest lg and was very happy, but my husband didn’t like the taste of bread, so I tend to panasonic, but I don’t really need a dispenser, and I liked the management of lg. What can you say about the taste of bread? Especially interesting is the opinion of those who had or have 2 stoves, that is, they have something to compare with!
5. and can only Moulinex really bake baguettes?
6.In lg, the window also captivates, while I cooked 20 times I looked inside with a flashlight
Please, do not disregard how horrible you want to bother, but in what I do not know !!!
I rush between lg, panasonic and moulinex !!!
Lenusya
1. In Panasonic and in LV, and in Moulinex, you can make sweet dough and Easter cake, (in LV, Easter cake is a part of the program, a Russian cook).
2. In Panasonic (Baking program) and LV (Keks program) only hand-mixed cake dough is baked. I don't know Moulinex.
3. The baguette in the LV is most likely a mistake, since there is a separate rym French bread.
4. I used to have LV lg 155 jc, excellent jam, my husband did not like the taste of bread, in Panasonic I like the taste of bread more.
5. For baguettes, the dough can be kneaded in HP, baked in the oven.
6.With a ski window, but in Panasonic (without a window), a more tanned upper crust is obtained.
Panas 255 has a Rye Bread program.
The difference in price between LV and Panasonic is small. My family likes the taste of Panasonic bread better.
I can't say anything about Mulinex - I didn't use it.

In general, the choice is yours, you can adapt to all stoves and they all bake excellent homemade bread


Cake
Natalia_25 hello new girl! Are you sick with a bread maker? Then you are exactly at the address - there is a special hospital for people like you
I will try to answer your questions. because in 2 years several HPs from different manufacturers have passed through my hands.
1The sweet pastry program includes both the preparation and baking of sweet and rich dough. proofing there is longer (baking takes longer to rise), and baking at a slightly lower temperature. so that the crust does not burn 9 a lot of sugar in the dough)
2. The Keks program kneads the ingredients and immediately begins to bake them. Proofing time is not provided. because muffins are baked with baking powder.
3. This is not a mistake. but rather a publicity stunt. Allegedly, a special test is made for baguettes. Naturally, if you need the actual baguettes, then you need to bake them in the oven. there is no baguette holder in any LV stove.
4. Most users are inclined to believe that bread tastes better in Panasonic. If you do not need a dispenser, then take not the 255th, but the 254th model, there is no dispenser and you will not overpay for it.
5. Stand for baguettes is available only in Moulinex. But what are these baguettes ?! 4 pies ... Girls bake real baguettes on our forum in ovens. There are wonderful developments of special devices (homemade). The dough is kneaded with HP, and cutting and baking are in the oven. Wonderful worked-out recipes, step-by-step photos, look for a forum search engine.
6. Many people complain about the windows, because they leave heat and the roof of the bread is pale. If curiosity is stronger, almost all manufacturers produce HP with windows.

About your "requirements for HP"
1. Any stove cooks jam, even the cheapest one. The exception is Kenwood -150, there is a loaf the size of a bun, except perhaps a jar of mayonnaise jam.
2. Rye bread. Even those CPs that have such a program. it is not always successful and is not used. The collective mind of members of the forum has deduced the ideal formula for making rye bread:
a / Kneading on the program "Dough" (Or "Pasta" or "Pelmeni" - this is the program for everyone in a different way)
b /. Turn off the stove and let the dough rise in a bucket 2-2.5 times
in/. We turn on HP for the "Baking" (or "Oven") program
You can also read more about this technology and why it is preferable to the factory-installed HP stuffed into the brain on the forum in the corresponding branches.

3.4,5- such programs are available in almost all HP
6. I wrote about the baguettes above.

Reliability. according to the statistics of our forum, the leader is Panasonic.
Another position is important, about which you did not say anything. This is the volume of the bucket. There are ovens with 600-g buckets, this is very small. That is, it is normal for bread, but for kneading dough for pies. dumplings and so on-little. There are 900 grams, these are the most common. in Panasonic 1250g is already a wonderful bucket! I have in DeLongy-1500. Moulinex has the most, there are even 2 mixers there! So, consider this question as well.
But honestly, I wouldn’t care. and took Panas 254th.
lesik_l
And I am delighted with my delonghi 125. And I highly recommend it. It has everything you need for cooking and baking, and you can additionally add your own programs. I also really like the ability to control the process of kneading, proving, baking without turning off the program, that is, any process at your discretion can be increased or decreased in duration. When choosing what to buy - I liked the presence of the author. dispenser and wanted to have a mode for making yeast-free dough (without heating products) for kneading dough for dumplings, dumplings, as well as noodles. I don't like to knead dough, but my family loves dumplings - Ukrainians do not. With my sister-in-law, on one day in a row, 8 batches of the test were carried out - nothing burned out, did not overheat. In some messages I read about failures with kneading hard dough, and delonghi was invented by Italians - lovers of various pastes.In terms of price-quality ratio, it is preferable to the same Panasonic - the difference is almost $ 100. Both are collected by China, why pay more. The crust is really lightish, but I learned how to deal with it - at the end of baking, I just add 10 minutes and everything is baked perfectly.
sazalexter
Rem On foreign websites of the manufacturer, except for Russia, it is not mentioned, this is a clear signal that the device is out of production, the remains are being sold in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. They disappeared in our stores for a long time, in online stores for 2 months they are not on sale.
Bread Pete
Quote: atman
you need an oven that can make small loaves of quality. And all normal ovens have a bucket volume of 1 kg or more - it's a huge loaf!

It is not necessary to use full volume. In the same Panasonic-254 (like mine), you can lay from 300 to 600 g of wheat flour - this roughly corresponds to 450 to 900 g of finished bread. I almost always bake a small 600g loaf.

Another (budget) option is Alaska for 1600 rubles, sold in Metro stores. There is also a smaller bucket. Here on the forum about this HP did not meet negative reviews. If I didn't have a Panasonic, I probably would have chosen Alaska.
atman
Admin, thanks for the recommendation, I liked the Binatone BM-2068 - both the design is hay, and the bread, judging by the reviews, bakes well, and there is a programmable mode. The only thing missing compared to the Kenwood 450 is the yeast-free baking mode. Explain, please, what is the meaning of this mode?

Bread Pete The volume is clear. Alaska for 1600r? And what does she look like? And I found a photo in the corresponding thread. Ugly Still, I'd rather take a binaton for 4500, I think the price is still justified by the build quality and design.
soneks
Quote: atman

Bread Pete The volume is clear. Alaska for 1600r? And what does she look like? And I found a photo in the corresponding thread. Ugly Still, I'd rather take a binaton for 4500, I think the price is still justified by the build quality and design.

Here's a photo and the price of this stove in the METRO
Bread Pete
Quote: atman

Bread Pete The volume is clear. Alaska for 1600r? And what does she look like? And I found a photo in the corresponding thread. Ugly Still, I'd rather take a binaton for 4500, I think the price is still justified by the build quality and design.
well, you yourself wanted the loaves to be smaller, and in binaton they are even larger than in panas - for example, in 2068 minimum 750 grams.

Design and quality ... I don't see much difference between binaton and alaska. If a price of about 5 thousand is acceptable for you, then you can already choose among proven non-Chinese brands.

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