Rem
To make it easier to choose which stove to buy (from the programmable ones), I ask everyone who has this, write in this topic. Otherwise, many people think that this is only delonghi 125s! I ask all experienced and beginners!
Rem
I know Black & Decker B2300 from not sold in CIS
Rem
Another programmable heater: Bork BM 1062.
There is 1 program allocated for this function.
Lydia
Explain, please, to me, stupid, what is embedded in the concept of "programmable" (CP). Is it possible to change the duration of this or that part of the program: increase / decrease the time of kneading, baking, or something else?
Rem
These ovens additionally have programs that you compose yourself - choose the phases of the baking process (kneading, deboning, heating and others) and their duration. And you can also change these parameters during baking (even in embedded programs)
Lydia
That is, if you want to create a loaf of non-standard weight, composition, etc., then by trial, error and consultation you compose an appropriate program for it? Yeah not bad. Thanks for explaining. But less than a year and a half ago, buying Panas-255 and starting to use it, I was convinced that programmable HP is a whim, an entertainment for those who do not have more interesting activities.

It is strange that while the list of such HPs in your topic is so short. Well, okay, I'm wild and uneducated, but the people on the forum know. Why are they silent?

kolynusha
I use this feature a lot. In addition to recipes for delicious breads from this site, I buy mixtures in Tri-R. They have developed technical documentation for each type of bread, with a detailed description of each stage of kneading, proofing and baking. Very comfortably. Easy to program.
About Bork https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=3018.0 There is a lot of information about Delonghi in the topic: What to choose? At one time, when I was choosing HP, I settled on a programmable stove, which I did not regret. Thank you Alexandre and AlenDelonghi
Pakat
Quote: Lydia

It is strange that while the list of such HPs in your topic is so short. Well, okay, I'm wild and uneducated, but the people on the forum know. Why are they silent?
There are few programmable stoves in Russia, Delonghi and Bork, 2-3 models in total, IMHO ...
Yes, and here in America, the choice is not very good, several Breadman models and everything in my opinion ... RemThe Black & Decker B2300 is not programmable.
The rest have only standard functions.
But a programmable stove makes it possible to build any mode, change the time of heating, kneading, standing, baking and its temperature ... which I use on my stove ...
Rem
In Delonghi, unfortunately, you can only program time, temperature, alas, no.
Pakat
But, in Delonghi, you can change the duration of each process in the cycle without interrupting the cycle, in mine it can be done only by interrupting the cycle and setting it again.
Also, in Delonghi, there is a function for baking the top crust, I don't have that, but the baking temperature is 300-375 F ...
kolynusha
Quote: Rem

In Delonghi, unfortunately, you can only program time, temperature, alas, no.
In Bork, the temperature cannot be varied either. Programming Mode:
1 Kneading 6-14 min.
1 Proofing 20-60 min.
2 Kneading 5-20 min.
2 Proofing 5-120 min.
3 Proofing 0-120 min.
Baking 0-80 min.
Cheb heating 0-60 min.
The setting can be memorized and used for subsequent baking.
Pakat
Zojirushi, very expensive ovens, there is no point in paying $ 250-300 for a bread maker that does the same thing as for 80 ...
Rem
In Kharkov and other cities for Panasonic 255 sellers take also 250-300, but it is not programmable. So for the above stove (production, I think, not China), the price is similar.
jal
Pakat, you bought your Breadman for $ 80 ???
For a programmable stove Zojirushi, I would not mind the money.
Pakat
jal, yes, even now, when the price has risen, it costs 100-120 ...
Zojirushi, on the contrary, fell in price 200-250 cost ...
Rem
Another programmable stove Unold 68415,
11 programs + 1 for creativity
hfa
Australian Quantum SmartBake (BM7800) from Sunbeam - 125 from DeLongey were made from it.

Accordingly, DeLongey's parameters are the same as those of the prototype. The disadvantage is the same - a short time of boning (no more than half a minute). For a "slow" dough, deboning has to be "thorough", after all. Compensated by a large number of programmable programs and drawer cards with quick reminders on how to use, how to program and to record which program is filled in for what.

Shop price AUD $ 180. Made soundly. During the 5 months that I have been using - no complaints, except, perhaps, too loud beeper and the inability to turn it off.
Pogremushka
Now, if Panasonic manufacturers thought of a programmable one ... I think the lion's share of members of the forum will support me))
Rem
Everything good in one is impossible. Will explain.
Let the producer be a cuckoo bird. A cuckoo survives if the eggs are in different nests. So the manufacturers of any equipment now, the assortment is large, but they don't put all the good things into one thing - who will buy worse? And so they created an assortment and have money on us. A fly in the ointment is thrown into a barrel of honey.
drigor
I agree that if you make one perfect HP, then everyone will buy it. Who will buy the other product? It's like with mobile phones, sometimes in more advanced models there are no good chips from cheaper ones
I have been using this miracle for only two days, but I already felt the need for at least one user (programmable) mode ... probably because the programmer himself
liberiam
Bread maker Daewoo Int. DI-9154 - 11 modes + your own recipe. The parameters and limits in which they can be changed are the same as for the Bork stove. https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/in...ic=6173.0
I have already used the programmed mode several times - it is convenient.
Pakat
Quote: Rem

I know Black & Decker B2300 from not sold in cis so far

Rem, the shaman however ...
Black & Decker B2500C appeared, an exact copy of my Breadman TR2500BC, all the same functions ...
It costs $ 149.99Can, but there is $ 79.99Can on sale, no need to order from the states ...
List of programmable bread makers, comparison and discussion
Bee
Add the Kenwood 450 to the list, it's also programmable + there is an automatic dispenser and internal lighting.
Rem
Exactly, it has 5 programs for this. And the owners of kenwood 450 would write in more detail about programming in it, maybe?
Bee
Another programmable HP has appeared - this is Daewoo Int. DI-9154 In addition with two bread tins
liberiam
Bee
I wrote about this stove in this thread
Quote: liberiam

Bread maker Daewoo Int. DI-9154 - 11 modes + your own recipe. The parameters and limits in which they can be changed are the same as for the Bork stove. https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/in...ic=6173.0
I have already used the programmed mode several times - it is convenient.
Strannik-Yura
I heard that it seems that in Binatone 2068 you can adjust the time
Nod1
Quote: Strannik-Yura

I heard that it seems that in Binatone 2068 you can adjust the time
I am the owner of this marvelous car. bought recently, bakes well, indeed there is a programming function - this is program 12
Vanya28
Quote: Rem

Exactly, it has 5 programs for this. And the owners of kenwood 450 would write in more detail about programming in it, maybe?

Programmable modes P1 - P5.
Default settings and range of adjustable values ​​min. and max.
1 Temperature equalization - 0 min (0 - 60 min)
2 Mix 1 = 3 min (0 - 10 min)
3 Mix 2 = 22 min (0 - 30 min)
4 Ascent 1 = 20 min (20 - 60 min)
5 Mix 3 = 15 sec (Does not change if Mix 2 = 0)
6 Ascent 2 = 30 min (0 - 2 h)
7 Mix 4 = 15 sec (Does not change if Mix 3 = 0)
8 Ascent 3 = 50 min (0 - 2 h)
9 Bake = 60 min (0 - 1h 30min)
10 Warm up = 60 min (0 - 60 min)

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Lusy
Hello!
Pakat, I have a question for you as the owner of the Breadman2500 oven. Are you satisfied with your choice? No complaints? I ask because I have met reviews about incorrect computer operation - programming failures, etc. I want to give such a stove to my daughter, she lives in the USA and now doubts have arisen. Although I like it very much
Pakat
Lusy, I am happy with the stove, it works well, I bake black bread, no problem. It had a flaw, the top baked badly, there was a pale crust, but I fixed it ...
I also read the reviews, the choice was between Panasonic and programmable, but the piglet is not for sale in Canada, this and the program decided the choice.
In America it is easier, there is more choice, you can buy, try and return if you don't like it ... Search and choose. Good luck!
Lusy
Thank you, Pakat, reassured. I also looked at Panasonic, everyone praises it painfully, but I could not find 255, well, or 254 (others, as I understood, do not bake rye bread), only 250 comes across, so I began to look to the side.
Vanya28
Quote: Lusy

Thank you, Pakat, reassured. I also looked at Panasonic, everyone praises it painfully, but I could not find 255, well, or 254 (others, as I understood, do not bake rye bread), only 250 comes across, so I began to look to the side.
Lusy, I will not dissuade you from choosing a good stove.
Just a note about rye bread, it can be baked easily in different ovens, but in programmed ones it is certainly better.
Read about it here:
https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0

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Rem
Owners of "Orion 205" - specify, does it seem to have 1 programming mode? And then the information is brief on the sites.
alex_step
Orion 205 - programmed mode 12 "Home Made"
RybkA
I read about the Binatone BM-2068 Bread Maker and it was straight to itch to touch it! And the price is quite budgetary, is it really so good for everyone?
Who can that-thread there any program can be adjusted as in Delongy? How many programs can you memorize?
Kuzya5555
If we are talking about programming in terms of managing the duration of stages, then such a function is spelled out in Orion 205
alex_step
yes, only with some restrictions: duration of actions in time - 1st kneading 6-14 minutes, 1st raising 20-60 minutes, 2nd kneading 5-20 minutes, 2nd raising 5-120 minutes, 3- e rise 0-120 minutes, bake 0-80 minutes, keep warm 0-60 minutes. That is, it is possible to skip only the 3rd raising, baking and maintaining the temperature. And how to program under rye bread with ONE long kneading and ONE long rise? Or am I missing something? There is no ready-made black bread program in this oven. Who decides how?
Rem
Alex, you program it, and then run it idle, or you can eat it like in delonghi viewing. Even in mine, some items can be changed, but this is not announced! Maybe you can also remove what you do not need. Try and report the result so that Orion owners know and apply.
RybkA
Quote: alex_step

yes, only with some restrictions: duration of actions in time - 1st kneading 6-14 minutes, 1st raising 20-60 minutes, 2nd kneading 5-20 minutes, 2nd raising 5-120 minutes, 3- e rise 0-120 minutes, bake 0-80 minutes, keep warm 0-60 minutes. That is, it is possible to skip only the 3rd raising, baking and maintaining the temperature. And how to program under rye bread with ONE long kneading and ONE long rise? Or am I missing something? There is no ready-made black bread program in this oven. Who decides how?
I looked at ORION today. I did not find a table in the instructions where all programs are painted step by step, with the duration of all periods and temperature conditions.
For rye there is probably a whole grain bread program or gluten-free, most likely ...
It is not possible to completely remove the deboning, BUT after deboning it leaves as much as 4 hours of proofing.
And in Kenwood 450 (I was also interested today) it is even more difficult, there such a duration of the rise will not work. And here is the quote:
Quote: Vanya28

Programmable modes P1 - P5.
Default settings and range of adjustable values ​​min. and max.
1 Temperature equalization - 0 min (0 - 60 min)
2 Mix 1 = 3 min (0 - 10 min)
3 Kneading 2 = 22 minutes (0 - 30 minutes)
4 Ascent 1 = 20 min (20 - 60 min)
5 Mix 3 = 15 sec (Does not change if Mix 2 = 0)
6 Ascent 2 = 30 min (0 - 2 h)
7 Mix 4 = 15 sec (Does not change if Mix 3 = 0)
8 Ascent 3 = 50 min (0 - 2 h)
9 Bake = 60 min (0 - 1h 30min)
10 Warm up = 60 min (0 - 60 min)

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As I understand it, if you remove the boning, then the next lift is removed too ... Somehow a little confused

In general, while it is possible to remove everything to "0" only in Delongy it turns out?

Who else would tell about Beanaton 2068?
Rem
It is better to ask the owners about binaton 2068. Under the nickname, look in the topic by type of bread machine.
Anastasia
Quote: RybkA

I read about the Binatone BM-2068 Bread Maker and it was straight to itch to touch it! And the price is quite budgetary, is it really so good for everyone?

It is quite possible that this oven is good, but it will not please for long, just as the kettle and egg cooker of this company did not please me for long.After a short period of use, the teapot's plastic began to exfoliate and it all went into cracks - apparently this quality of plastic was used for it. And Teflon began to fall off in flakes at the egg cooker, with which it was covered from the inside - I don't know why they put Teflon there at all. So this side of inexpensive goods must be taken into account.
hotaru
What about the Daewoo 9154 programming? Can you freely change the duration of processes or, as in Kenwood, are there restrictions?
Rem
I would put Kenwood on the 2nd place among the programmable ones, stuffed it well. And daewood (or how correctly) - ask in a personal, from the owners. They know more
Kuzya5555
Tell me. maybe almost in the subject, the duration of the cycles in the main modes of operation of the Orion 205. The manual for some reason is not indicated.
Rem
Probably, if not in the documentation, only timing will help. Long and tedious, but the benefits not only to you, but also to members of the forum (if you share the result). There is an option - give this stove to your relatives, and buy whatever you want!
Vanya28
Quote: alex_step

How to program with rye bread Orion 205 with ONE long knead and ONE long lift? Or am I missing something? There is no ready-made black bread program in this oven. Who decides how?

We get rye custard in Orion 205 like this:
1st kneading 14 minutes, 1st raising 20 minutes, 2nd kneading 5 minutes, 2nd raising we select from about 40 to 60 minutes, 3rd raising 0 minutes, baking 80 minutes.
We read subtleties with rye custard bread herethat is not clear we ask.
Vanya28
Quote: RybkA

...
And in Kenwood 450 (I was also interested today) it is even more difficult ...
Somehow slightly confused

Kenwood 450 rye custard is very easy to make.

First, let's read the updated translation
https://Mcooker-en.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=6173.0
programmable modes P1 - P5.
Factory settings (default) are shown in red.
Range of changeable values ​​min. and max. blue.
1. Temperature equalization - 0 minutes (0 - 60 min.).
2. Mix 1 = 3 min. (0 - 10 min.).
3. Mix 2 = 22 minutes (0 - 30 min.).
4. Rise 1 = 20 minutes. (20 - 60 min.).
5. Mix 3 = 15 sec.
Mix 3 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 2 time is selected more than 0 min.
6. Rise 2 = 30 minutes. (0 - 2 hours).
7. Mix 4 = 15 sec.
Mix 4 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 3 time is selected more than 0 min.
8. Rise 3 = 50 minutes (0 - 2 hours).
9. Baking = 60 minutes (0 - 1h 30min.).
10. Heating = 60 minutes (0 - 60 min.).

Maximum dough rise time in Kenwood 450
is 300 minutes or 5 hours,
with two short-term boning 15 seconds each,
not affecting the final result of the rise of the dough
decisive value.

We read subtleties with rye custard bread herethat is not clear we ask.

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an_domini
Vanya28, it remains unclear, where is the rye bread baking program for Ken? In your link - baked goods on Panas. I have both of these ovens, the modes in them are different, and two non-removable boning in Ken's programmed modes very much affect the rise of bread, so the program for rye bread on Ken does not come out completely automatically from the one you proposed for Panas. You brought a plate for drawing up programs from Kenwood's instructions, no matter what? And where is the step-by-step for rye bread, which you say is "easy to get"?
Vanya28
Quote: an_domini

...,
therefore, the program for rye bread on Ken does not work completely automatically
...
And where is the step-by-step for rye bread, which you say is "easy to get"?


1. Leveling 0 = min.
2. Mix 1 = 0 min.
I. 3. Kneading 2 = 15 min.
II. 4. Ascent 1 = 60 min.
5. Mix 3 = 15 sec.
Mix 3 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 2 time is selected more than 0 min.
6. Ascent 2 = 0 min.
7. Kneading 4 = 15 sec.
Mix 4 mode always 15 sec. and turns on if the Ascent 3 time is selected more than 0 min.
8. Ascent 3 = 0 min.
III. 9. Baking = 90 min.
10. Heating = 0 min.

And don't forget to keep reading and asking!
In Panasonic, on my recommended rye bread baking mode, intermediate deboning is 30 seconds and everything is fine!

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